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Old 09-15-2008, 06:50 PM   #11
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

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Thanks, Thomas. Those links are muy helpful.

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Open the hips, fix your order on the recovery.
Gotcha.

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All right folks, so this is post Fran, but how's it now? I know a bit "chunky" but hopefully if I've got the little bits right, I'll be able to take those bits and string them together more smoothly through practice (which is what I'll be doing - trying to row untimed for a while).

Here's the edited version of my row: (WFS) It's obviously not great - and my camera sucks so the clip is only 20s long...but these are the things that I think helped most:

1. starting from the "back" position as opposed to the catch.
2. from there, thinking, "lean - arms - legs, and then legs, arms, lean", my legs finally got tired!
3. learning that stroke frequency really ought to be less than I think it is - amplifies recovery time.
4. hip extension - not lumbar flexion (tho the slight lean forward is where I could see having a problem over long rows - I think tho, that when you're in this position you really ought to be prepared to be pushing back with the legs - and so the l-spine shouldn't have to take on too much force...maybe?)

Thank you all for your input! It's so great to be getting so many keen eyes!
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:04 PM   #12
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

Much better.

Don't travel forward so far. Only to about shins vertical.

And carry the leg drive through; you're breaking it into a push, then an arm pull, which makes the drive mostly pointless. (Like doing a deadlift then a hang clean rather than a clean.)
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:41 AM   #13
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

Yes, much better! Fast learner.

The stroke length, imo, could still be bit longer, but I understand your concerns about your back.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:00 PM   #14
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

Thank you all so much for your help - I'll post another vid eventually - after I worked on maintaining this kind of form for longer intervals.

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Old 09-16-2008, 01:08 PM   #15
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

Taggin this thread for myself as I really need to work on my rowing.
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:54 PM   #16
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

Erin--

The first thing I notice is you're very rigid. Loosen up a little. Get some body swing. The stroke is a fluid motion. Flow with it.

Your hip flexors probably tire from holding your body in such an upright position. As others have noted, lean back more at the finish.

Your catch looks pretty solid, but, as others have noted, try to get a little more reach.

Also, you have a tendency to rush the recovery. After you finish the stroke, think "fast hands, slow slide." Get your hands back over your knees quickly, then come up slides much more slowly than you are in the video. That will help eliminate the little rainbows your hands are making as they travel up and over your knees on the recovery.

Someone mentioned the ratio of drive:recovery. I agree with a 1:2 ratio. Even 1:3.

Your stroke rating is pretty darn high. Slow down. Get the speed on your drive, then allow yourself to recover on the recovery. Let yourself breathe.

Rowing is not digital, it's analog. Don't think in terms of individual strokes. Think of the piece from start to finish as one continuous motion.

[I just looked at your second vid. Much better! But you're still rushing up slides on the recovery. Slow it down.]

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Old 09-16-2008, 05:16 PM   #17
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

Glenn, SO helpful.

I rowed 4 rounds of 250m with ample rest in between to focus on form. I had to set some kind of goal or I'd run the risk of not practicing enough.

I'm definitely getting a lot more leg drive (YAY). I'm still a bit "rigid" because I've not yet mastered the ability to row without thinking in blocks "lean - arms - legs, lean - legs - arms". That'll come with more practice I think.

What I'm really noticing is that, although I'm definitely feeling the drive more than I ever have - I'm still rushing the recovery. The ratio helps a lot and I definitely going to try slowing down my recovery a lot - but speed up the hands, because they're definitely still in the way.

I think the fluid motion will come very last.

Again, thanks for all your help. I'll update with another vid soon.
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Old 09-17-2008, 03:15 PM   #18
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

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I rowed 4 rounds of 250m with ample rest in between to focus on form.
Am I understanding you correctly? You rowed a total of 1000 meters?

Huge improvement, but if you want to get comfortable on the erg, spend some time on it. If you were a rower, that would mean an hour-plus. You're going to spend less time, of course, but you need to be on the machine for 10-20-30 minutes. Slow the stroke rate (but not the power you apply to the drive) and settle into a rhythm.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:44 PM   #19
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

I'll be trying to do this, Tom. But I've got take it slow - lumbar stability endurance is an issue I'm working on right now. I threw my back out completely 4 weeks ago. Also, I didn't just row that day.

I'm going to be working at some intervals - lowering my stroke rate. One thing at a time.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:37 PM   #20
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Re: Hello, I am a horrible rower.

im kinda new to rowing also but the form on this one comes pretty fast
im no pro but IMHO

on second vid

relax shoulders relax you can see tension if not a slight shrug in shoulders on pull. try and relax as much as possible then unleash on power phase

complete leg thrust it looks like pull earlier in one stroke especially maybe third, wasting energy pulling while legs extending

catch..... begin extension. explode, (again fluid motion)

here is a good video (i learned alot from this one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLO1X...eature=related

can you get a mirror to watch your self

do strokes at very slow pace to feel out form and also listen to fan

watch videos of great rowers

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