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Old 06-23-2011, 03:54 AM   #31
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Re: need article to defend deadlifts

The Squat Clinic article from the Journal archives is not bad for newbies.
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:06 AM   #32
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Re: need article to defend deadlifts

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Man did I open up a can here! lol.

So, does anyone have an article?
How is an "article" going to prove anything? If the PT can agree that exercise is good, muscle is good then understanding how and why the deadlift and squat are good should be a no brainer. If they are asking for "proof" then they obviously can not understand the obvious and are not worth trying to prove anything to.

On an aside for just about every "study" out you can find at least one refuting its claims regardless of topic.
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:19 AM   #33
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How is an "article" going to prove anything? If the PT can agree that exercise is good, muscle is good then understanding how and why the deadlift and squat are good should be a no brainer. If they are asking for "proof" then they obviously can not understand the obvious and are not worth trying to prove anything to.

On an aside for just about every "study" out you can find at least one refuting its claims regardless of topic.
Through her obvious attitude towards these lifts, and asking for an "article" to prove they are ok/good. We already know she can't think for herself or most likely think at all. She needs it to be in a book for it to be true...which unfortunately is the way of the world for a lot of PT's etc...god forbid someone think for themselves and actually evaluate ideas for themselves.

This world is going to hell in a handbasket....
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:34 PM   #34
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Re: need article to defend deadlifts

This is why I'm going to PT school. To see where the disconnect is. Maybe after I graduate I'll stop deadlifting and squatting...
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Old 06-23-2011, 06:49 PM   #35
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This is why I'm going to PT school. To see where the disconnect is. Maybe after I graduate I'll stop deadlifting and squatting...
I think part of the disconnect may be that PTs rarely see uninjured people. They see lots of people who got injured doing "exercise X," and so it's not unreasonable for them to conclude that exercise X is bad. But they're victims of sampling bias, because the people who *don't* hurt their backs and knees have no reason to see a PT.

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Old 06-23-2011, 07:34 PM   #36
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Re: need article to defend deadlifts

"Just because some ******* asserts a thing does not mean that it is worthy of refutation. " -Rip


done. Move on. You won't win. She's a "medical professional with education" and you are a "Silly trainer."
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:08 PM   #37
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Re: need article to defend deadlifts

This isn't a conversation I'd have if I were you; there are some people who's minds are already made up, and I don't have time to try to educate everyone I meet....Just the ones who show interests in what I can teach.

However, this may be some help, from one of the top trainers in his field.

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Old 06-25-2011, 10:29 AM   #38
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Re: need article to defend deadlifts

Robert: You said it well. I am trying to convince her that these movements done properly can be very benificial for my clients as well as her patients.

to all of you who said it is not worth it.... I understand where you are coming from, but, I went into the fitness field to help people who dont know better and need education. I am not going to just say the hell with you if you dont agree with me on something. If someone comes up and says I need to lose weight so I am only eating 500 cal and taking these HCG drops, Im not going to say "well have a good time with that cause you are a lost cause," Im gonna educate them on Paleo/Zone.

All of us are guilty at one point of our life with buying into something that was wrong.. how many of us did slow and controled bicep curls as we were younger! Obviously someone helped you out and turned you onto crossfit. Right?

So, thanks for everyones advice and thanks for the articles.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:27 AM   #39
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Man Drew, you work with some awful PT's How'd they ever let you open an affiliate there?
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Old 06-27-2011, 09:13 AM   #40
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Man Drew, you work with some awful PT's How'd they ever let you open an affiliate there?
With all of the deep squats and deadlifts they figured it'd be good for business?


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