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Old 07-07-2011, 08:52 PM   #1
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HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

Hi All,

I just found this interesting and thought I'd share. I've been strictly low bar back squatting for the past 1.5 years. Today I decided to try a high bar back squat 1RM in an attempt to switch things up as part of my conjugate method ME work.

Here's a 375lbs HBBS PR. My LBBS PR recently was 385lbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFbVQZDAdMk (WFS)

There's always a lot of talk about whether LBBS carries over. I'd say within 10-20lbs is pretty reasonable carryover based on my sample size of 1.
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Old 07-08-2011, 07:09 AM   #2
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

Great squat.
So there is no more debate to the LBBS vs HBBS issue, can you do HBBS for 1.5 years and then compare the carryover to LBBS.
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Old 07-08-2011, 07:15 AM   #3
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

well done
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:39 AM   #4
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

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There's always a lot of talk about whether LBBS carries over. I'd say within 10-20lbs is pretty reasonable carryover based on my sample size of 1.
How did your clean and snatch do?

The debate isn't just about carryover between HBBS and LBBS, but also about carryover to the Olympic lifts and "functional" tests of strength generally.

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Old 07-08-2011, 10:24 AM   #5
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

interesting... I switched from low to high bar about 4 months ago, and it has taken me this long to get within 15lbs of my previous low bar max
LBBS 1RM = 330#
HBBS 1RM = 315#

The difference may also be in my stance, much narrower on the high bar squat, and much more upright torso than I see in your vid. It seems to me that more things than bar placement change from one to the other.
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:17 AM   #6
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

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How did your clean and snatch do?

The debate isn't just about carryover between HBBS and LBBS, but also about carryover to the Olympic lifts and "functional" tests of strength generally.

Katherine
Well, that is more complicated to discern (of course).

Snatch - Dec 2009 - 140lbs
Snatch - Jul 2011 - 185lbs http://www.facebook.com/video/video....6109345&type=1

Power Snatch - Nov 2009 - 130lbs
Power Snatch - Now - Probably 165lbs

Hang Squat Snatch - Feb 2011 - 160lbs

Overhead Squat - Jan 2010 - 190lbs
Overhead Squat - Jan 2011 - 225lbs
Heaving Snatch Balance - April 2011 - 195lbs

Push Press - Jul 2010 - 205lbs
Push Press - May 2011 - 240lbs

Clean & Jerk - March 2010 - 195lbs
Clean & Jerk - Now - 230+ probably

Squat Clean - Oct 2009 - 185lbs
Squat Clean - Feb 2010 - 205lbs http://www.facebook.com/video/video....6109345&type=1
Squat Clean - Apr 2011 - 242.5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFu84bNhd-U

Jerk - May 2009 - 155lbs
Jerk - Jan 2010 - 200lbs
Jerk - Apr 2011 - 250lbs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSVZdMq4mWc

Front Squat - April 2009 - 175lbs
Front Squat - June 2011 - 290lbs (275lbsx3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF70EWWzIu8

Back Squat - Mar 2009 - 265lbs
Back Squat - Apr 2011 - 385lbs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcY4jvp6yAQ


My main problem on the snatch is actually receiving the bar at the bottom and standing up with it. I can easily pull it high enough but always dump it forward.

On the clean I've never gotten under something and not been able to stand up with it. So I think on both I have more of a speed and technique issue than strength.

But overall I don't work on those things very often and I don't have someone to coach my lifts unless I get Jeremy Galo to give me some pointers. So the gains I have made I attribute to both strength improvements and form tweaks. But it's hard to say how much is coming from each.

But in general... Big and Strong is Big and Strong. But Big and Strong does not mean Big and Fast

All links WFS.
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

Actually there might be some naughty words in the music in those links above.


I should probably also point out that during that time the majority of my focus has been on Squats, Deadlifts, Shoulder Press, and Bench. Only training an oly lift once a month or so.

I think the reason my HBBS and LBBS don't look that much different is probably because they aren't. My body was still strong enough to maintain my "normal" position even with the bar resting high on my back. I did feel like I was being pulled forward by it, but was able to fight against it. I do something similar in the bottom of my oly lifts where my hips want to engage like a low bar.

So it could be that the strength transfers pretty decently but the subtleties of form differences cause issues.

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:24 PM   #8
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

How often did you work front squats? It seems they made a huge jump as well, and that will transfer over significantly to a HBBS.
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Re: HBBS PR After Only Doing LBBS

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How often did you work front squats? It seems they made a huge jump as well, and that will transfer over significantly to a HBBS.
Not very often actually. Only a handful of times since 2009, but I did add a few high rep sets recently just to feel more comfortable.

May 2010 - 255lbs
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February 2011 - 285lbs
March 2011 - 135x20
March 2011 - 155x20
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