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Old 09-01-2006, 10:07 AM   #1
Garrett Smith
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http://www.youngerthanyourage.com/4/...iveCalcium.htm

http://www.youngerthanyourage.com/13/cancer2.htm

These are all well-referenced. The first "theory" was recently published in the peer-reviewed medical journal "Medical Hypotheses", what I consider the most forward-thinking and non-biased conventional publication out there.

The first article has, in combination with Z-Health, completely changed my paradigm and purpose/goal behind my own physical training.

Enjoy!
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:43 AM   #2
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Very interesting ideas...
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Old 09-01-2006, 02:05 PM   #3
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Holy irony that could of been predicted by thinking of things in the context of evolutionary biology, Batman!
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Old 09-01-2006, 02:41 PM   #4
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thankyou Garrett for the post on dairy,another reason to stop putting dairy products in our bodies.

Dairy free for 35 years. giving up dairy made a big difference in my health.
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from your tone It feels like your not impressed with the studies on dairy that garrett posted.
maybe you could post some "real studies" [as you often say] to the contary of the information that garrett posted.
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Old 09-01-2006, 02:46 PM   #5
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Uhhh, I was supporting what Garrett said. That milk may cause osteoporosis is ironic given what has been stated about it, and I was saying that in a humorous way.

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Old 09-01-2006, 03:11 PM   #6
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One thing I would add is that I do believe that pasteurization, homogenization, and grain-feeding cows plays a big role in this issue, at least in regards to the milk portion.

I'd guess that in the countries that drank very little milk, that all of it was raw and from very *local* cattle (that probably scrounged around for whatever foods they could find).

I don't agree with modern dairy and supplements in an effort to force down more calcium. However, upon further inspection, if one was eating Paleo-style, a significant amount of calcium would likely be eaten a day. I believe that this would be metabolized much differently (acid/base-wise, especially) than dairy or isolated supplements.

If I was informed correctly, cows only naturally calve once a year (I think it was the spring?). I don't know what a natural milk cycle (until weaning) is, however, I do know that unless there are a lot of cows around, milk wasn't a year-round food for people in the past. I believe that is part of the issue here as well.
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Old 09-01-2006, 03:41 PM   #7
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That's exactly what I wanted to ask. What about eating small amounts of raw cheese or even raw milk? (I eat raw beef too, I'm a bit of a heretic.)
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Old 09-01-2006, 03:49 PM   #8
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As has been mentioned processing and grain feeding change things dramatically. Raw/grassfed dairy is likely much more benign than conventional dairy but it is still a neolithic food. Some will do better with it than others.
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Old 09-01-2006, 04:24 PM   #9
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Yael,
Raw meat good! (grunt, grunt)

I love my raw lamb leg steaks! A little sage, garlic powder, fresh ground pepper, crystal salt, olive oil, and I'm a very happy boy. The most tender meat one can get (now, without extra carcinogens!).

Raw dairy, small amounts, okay. Raw cultured dairy (kefir, kefir cheese), much more preferable.
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Old 09-01-2006, 09:03 PM   #10
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ROCK! A doctor that eats raw meat!!! I go for the raw grass-fed ground beef from TJ's. YUM! Helps with hydration. I haven't tried raw eggs yet but that's next on my list. As long as I can keep eating raw cacao nibs every once in a while, nobody will get hurt.

Kefir cheese, I'll keep that in mind.

Oh, as for the calcium/magnesium info in the second article, I *was* reading about how symptoms of "calcium deficiency" are often magnesium deficiency.
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