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Old 01-16-2005, 05:14 PM   #1
Tim Morrison
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Other than full range of motion does style matter? i.e.: high v.s. low bar placement, verticle v.s. forward torso lean style (a la Ed Coan) etc
ii've traditionally done a powerlifting style of low bar and more forward lean than most.
I suppose that make the low back more of a prime mover than it 'should' be?...And perhaps indicates a flexibility weakness (hams, quads, hip flexors etc)
But for the purposes of crossfit does it matter....trying to change has been a chore...I can stay more upright to a degree but not verticle by a llong shot.that and the high bar placement bugs my knees for somw reason.
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Old 01-16-2005, 06:00 PM   #2
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I'm taking a guess here but I imagine the squat style would look more like that of olympic lifters than powerlifters. Seems more functional.

The advantage of the powerlifter squat is more load can usually be used.
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Old 01-16-2005, 07:03 PM   #3
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It also depends on an individual's body.

Some can easily squat in an olympic high-bar style, while others, due to limb length and perhaps having certain inflexibilities, need to widen out the stance and maybe carry the bar a bit lower.

Descent should be "all the way down" regardless of style. If peaking for a PL meet, then cutting depth should only be part of a peaking cycle, if it's even required.

Both hit somewhat different areas of the musculature, so, I feel that both should be performed.
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Old 01-17-2005, 06:38 AM   #4
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I'm with Steve. Use both, powerlifting for maxes, O-style for reps, and change up. You could also change up body weight squat foot placement from set to set.
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Old 01-17-2005, 08:07 AM   #5
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I always thought that the contention for a powerlifter style over an olympic squat was the safety against the joints. I know that Louie Simmons (although he could be biased) sites that olympic lifters knees are in worse shape. Don't know if there is a shred of truth to it. It also looks as if the powerlifter style loads the posterior chain more, and the oly style puts more emphasis on the thighs. On a side note, why has speak of the posterior chain been all the rave in the fitness worlds as of late? Is it that important in athletic performance, or is it that it was so often neglected in past fitness regimens? Thanks.

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Old 01-17-2005, 09:14 AM   #6
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Posterior chain...neglected in bodybuilding programs (can't see it in a mirror) and important to athletic events which involve running, squatting, pushing (every sport, even curling). Imbalance in quad strength and posterior chain cause all sorts of problems, low back pain being one major one.
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Old 01-17-2005, 10:11 AM   #7
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At Crossfit North we teach and use the Olympic style squat almost exclusively. The reason for this is the functional body position you are training. With O-lifting you are throwing and catching weight, the upright position required for this carries over pretty well to most other sport/combat activities. The powerlifting squat style is a specialised position, ideal for squatting the most weight, not similar to other uses of the hip in sport.

We have some very advanced O-lifters in our gym (ex Olympic team alternates, and national record holders) we have not seen knee problems in them or in the beginers we train.

To elaborate on the knee problem point; many people come to us with knee problems, everyone who trains with us has experienced reduced pain and improved function. This includes one trainee with a surgically removed knee cap! We have had one ACL tear, it happened during box jumping - not squatting.

I believe that the risk to knees comes from not doing full range functional movements. The danger of O-lifting is drastically and repeatedly overstated. Obviously doing movements improperly introduces it's own risk.

The posterior chain is fashionable to talk about now because improving it's function improves athletic performance and reduces injury. People who (re)discover this tend to get a little bit messianic.

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