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Old 08-04-2010, 02:21 AM   #1
Chris Ross
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before fitness training

hi

These days ppl have the time and energy to engage in fitness training programs such as Crossfit, sport specific fitness etc. This is because for most of us at least, our jobs are highly specialised and often sedentary. This is the result of our highly ordered society where the generalist has largely been made redundant.

So, back in the day, when man/woman were hunter gatherers or even early subsistence farmers they would most likely not have 'wasted' their energy (calories) and time on things like squatting for reps, pulls ups etc ie. fitness training. This would simply be too much after spending a long day just trying to survive.

What then, in your opinion, would have been some of the key activities in early ppl's lives that would have contributed to their health and 'fitness'. Could we truly call them 'fit' compared to todays crossfitter or other athlete?
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:55 AM   #2
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Re: before fitness training

Do you know any modern farmers or construction workers (road crews, general contractors, tradesmen, etc.) from whom you can judge the fitness level that such activity brings? Be mindful of the effects of diet on body composition when you do so.
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Old 08-04-2010, 05:39 AM   #3
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I'd say the activities would be, walking and running everywhere, climbing and jumping, perhaps carrying loads (i.e. - water) over long distances, eating a restricted calorie, yet extremely healthy diet, and sleeping to their natural circadian rhythms.

Perhaps in terms of pure fitness over a 1-2 hour period, the modern CFer would blow away the early hunter-gatherer.

But put any modern human in the wild like early H-Gs were, for any extended period of time, and I strongly suspect that the H-G would be able to live more efficiently, in greater harmony, and with less stress, than the average CFer.

Six weeks in the wild would take quite a heavy toll on any modern human, especially in the wintertime.
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Old 08-04-2010, 05:56 AM   #4
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Re: before fitness training

Put a HG infront of a computer, behind the wheel of a car or in a crowded city and see how well they fare.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:49 AM   #5
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Re: before fitness training

The notion that HG was always active is perhaps misguided. Just because endless movies show an idealized version of athletic HG does not mean that was the case. Using energy for valuable purposes is a given (food ,shelter, defense) but other than that people have always wanted to do as little as needed. Same as most modern humans.
Hunting down calories is just easier nowadays.

Jamie, the Geico caveman seem to do all right......
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:04 AM   #6
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Re: before fitness training

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Six weeks in the wild would take quite a heavy toll on any modern human, especially in the wintertime.
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Put a HG infront of a computer, behind the wheel of a car or in a crowded city and see how well they fare.
There is no genetic difference between "modern" humans and HG's. Everything they did, and everything we do, are learned behaviors. We could be taught to hunt and gather efficiently, and they could be taught to read, write, and drive cars.

"Fit" is just a modern term, and it is used primarily for marketing.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:56 PM   #7
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John, That was sort of my point, You adjust to the environment you are in. I would say that there has been enough time for modern dispositions to be more genetically likely.

Fit was a biologic term which has been perverted into a marketing term.
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Old 08-04-2010, 05:15 PM   #8
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There is no genetic difference between "modern" humans and HG's. Everything they did, and everything we do, are learned behaviors. We could be taught to hunt and gather efficiently, and they could be taught to read, write, and drive cars.

"Fit" is just a modern term, and it is used primarily for marketing.
WFS - http://discovermagazine.com/2009/mar...e-they-used-to
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:24 PM   #9
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Hunter-gatherers of the plains-type environments likely ran distances of 5-10k pretty frequently, and very fast. Faster than the average recreational runner, and certainly faster than most CrossFitters, by my estimates.

For a modern demonstration, watch this persistence hunt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wI-9RJi0Qo wfs
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:14 PM   #10
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Re: before fitness training

WFS
http://naturalathletics.blogspot.com...r-forager.html

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"The Ache hunted every day of the year if it didn't rain...GPS data I collected ... suggests that about 10 km per day is probably closer to their average distance covered during search.
This information is also in Cordain's The Paleo Diet. Probably a good bit more endurance exercise than is typical of standard CrossFit.
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