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Old 03-21-2011, 04:29 PM   #21
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Re: SS novice seeking advice

EDIT: In the time it took me to post this another 6 or 7 posts came up, so this might not address absolutely everyone's posts and some aspects might already be addressed.

Thanks for all the responses. I'll try to address the general points I'm seeing people make just to make sure I'm understanding.

1. Eat More - More fat, more protein, more carbs. I can understand this part. The reason my diet is the way I outlined is because I've read numerous times that the paleo diet is all about eating until you're full, which is what a typical day is like for me. I've never felt a lack of energy during a workout, but if more food is what it takes to see gains, I'm all for it. I guess what I'm looking for at this point would be suggestions as to what specifically to add to my diet to boost all the aforementioned macronutrients. I'd love to keep off the extra fat as well, if possible, but it sounds like you can't do both after a certain point, and that's fine.

2. Less Soccer - I also understand this one, but it's something I don't have any control over. I've seen 70's Big mentioned as a possible replacement for my MWF SS workouts, and that's fine, I'll definitely check it out. The only aspect I'd be concerned with is the diet, though it does make sense that once one has more muscle, fat falls off much more readily. I've also seen Crossfit WODs mentioned as a replacement. My only question there would be whether I'd maintain the same strength doing those only 3 days a week.

3. Cutting is for Suckers - I say this semi-jokingly, of course. But at the present moment I'm heavier and stronger than I've ever been with ~17% BF (just a rough estimate), and after being a skinny soccer player for 15 years of my life, having any muscle at all is an improvement. That layer of fat is just a frustrating and stubborn remnant of lazier times that I'd like to get rid of. Of course, I'd like to see my lower 4 abs as much as the next guy, but from what I'm hearing it sounds like bulking up first (read: eating more) is the best way to go about it.

So really the only remaining questions I have are:

A. How, specifically, can I modify my diet to make some gains? Any foods in particular that I should add? I do all my shopping at Trader Joe's, if that helps.
B. What, if any, changes should/can I make to my workout routine (other than cutting soccer) to see more gains? 70's big and CF WOD's MWF being mentioned above.

I really appreciate all the feedback you guys have given me so far. This is a huge learning experience for me and, as you can probably tell, I've definitely got a lot to learn.

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Old 03-21-2011, 04:42 PM   #22
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Re: SS novice seeking advice

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And, ditto to all of this. Except you can 100% believe that my awesomeness is true.
Its true. Anyone that open about short shorts and body glitter is worth paying attention to, Kyle. You should be writing this all down.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:55 PM   #23
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Re: SS novice seeking advice

@Tamara: Thanks a ton for all the info, definitely an eye-opener. I'll be sure to do some reading on 70's Big when I get a chance. Taking a look at CFFB, would I essentially be subbing the SWOD of the day on MWF for my usual SS workout? If so, that sounds like a good fix to me.

@Nick: I'll try to take things with a grain of salt, then. In regards to Tamara, duly noted.

@Trey: Yeah, that's definitely doable. I think that would more than double my calorie intake right now, so $3 is a small price to pay.

I'm also hearing that a protein supplement of some kind would be more than beneficial, so I'm definitely open to recommendations in that area as well.

EDIT: I've had experience with Designer Whey in the past and that wasn't too bad. It's just a bit on the expensive side with artificial sweeteners and such that I'd like to avoid.

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Old 03-21-2011, 05:01 PM   #24
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Re: SS novice seeking advice

Target sometimes has cheap whey protein, other than that, I'd go to Sam's Club. Get yourself one of those shaker blender bottles and take a shake after you work out if you need the extra protein and maybe another one later as a snack. It ain't a cheap habit, though.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:27 PM   #25
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Re: SS novice seeking advice

If you're 17% bodyfat at 5'10" and 170lbs I'd venture a guess that you're skinny-fat. Adding more lean mass would benefit you greatly.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:56 PM   #26
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@Eric: That's what I'll be shooting for. It seems like the recommendations in this area are just to eat more in general and relax a bit on the heavy lifting with a different program, which makes sense. GOMAD + Protein + increased portions of my usual diet seems like it should do the trick. Also, 17% an estimate that I might have wrong.

Also, since there seems to be a lot of speculation about my build, so I've attached a picture from a week and a half ago. I like to think I'm not a "skinny fat person," but maybe that's just how it is.
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:58 PM   #27
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Re: SS novice seeking advice

FWIW, adding muscle will make you appear leaner as that seems important to you.
Given your particular circumstances, I'm voting for 70s big strength & conditioning that Milton linked. The main thing, whatever you choose to do, is to stick with the program as written. They were all created by people with years of experience in the strength game. The exercises fall in a certain order for a reason. The rest days are there for a reason. The progression goes at a certain rate for a reason. The extra calories are there for a reason, and so on.
Eat a lot, sleep a lot, grow a beard, and push a crap ton of weight. You'll get big and strong, but it won't happen overnight.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:06 PM   #28
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grow a beard
OP, yes. This is also important.

For inspiration:
http://www.70sbig.com/blog/2011/03/t-bones-recap/ (NWFS due to profanity)
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Dude you look fine. Oddly hairless, but squatting might fix that.

You will gain fat, but you'll gain muscle too and your bodyfat % will most likely go up less than you'd think.
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OP, yes. This is also important.

For inspiration:
http://www.70sbig.com/blog/2011/03/t-bones-recap/ (NWFS due to profanity)
Clause in the rule....
If you have grown a beard in the past, and if you work outside, and if you have previously back squatted 400lb beltless, wrapless, and barefoot, you are excused from wearing a beard during the summer months.
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