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Old 11-02-2010, 11:11 PM   #11
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Re: High Testosterone Levels

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Saliva testing? What? Did you get blood results that showed you had high levels of testosterone? If the holistic practitioner is the first to tell you about this, I doubt it's due to his test being wholeheartedly correct. Go get a blood test of your hormone levels. If it's not high there, you are fine. Saliva tests, depending on the brand, lab, and conditions under which it were taken, are not necessarily the most accurate (especially if he's using cheap tests).
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:16 PM   #12
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I'm not a total naysayer about holistic doctors, but if you've gotten multiple blood tests that show normal T-levels and then suddenly have high T-levels in a saliva test administered by a holistic practitioner I would be extremely skeptical. An MD has no reason to conceal abnormally high T-levels from you, while a holistic doctor has a direct financial interest in finding them. I'm all for considering methods of care that approach the body in a systemic fashion but you've also got to maintain an eye on who benefits from finding different syndromes in you.

Also, a doctor who says you may have PCOS "but don't worry because you're exercising!!!!!" when you're still exhibiting symptoms is an idiot.

(Frank, for what it's worth in other threads Brittany's posted she's mentioned she's already had significant weight gain, BF% probably around 25-30% now, so abnormally low BF% is likely not a culprit)
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:22 PM   #13
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I'm not a total naysayer about holistic doctors, but if you've gotten multiple blood tests that show normal T-levels and then suddenly have high T-levels in a saliva test administered by a holistic practitioner I would be extremely skeptical. An MD has no reason to conceal abnormally high T-levels from you, while a holistic doctor has a direct financial interest in finding them. I'm all for considering methods of care that approach the body in a systemic fashion but you've also got to maintain an eye on who benefits from finding different syndromes in you.

Also, a doctor who says you may have PCOS "but don't worry because you're exercising!!!!!" when you're still exhibiting symptoms is an idiot.

(Frank, for what it's worth in other threads Brittany's posted she's mentioned she's already had significant weight gain, BF% probably around 25-30% now, so abnormally low BF% is likely not a culprit)
Missed that .. then all the more to ensure that its NOT ovarian cancer or worst yet a pituitary issue. Trip to the GYN and Endocrine for another time perhaps at Ucsf?
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:52 AM   #14
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Okay, I'll make some other appts. I hadn't considered UCSF, and no, I'm not with Kaiser, I'm with John Muir... When I had all the blood work done, it was between October and January of last year. Perhaps as time has gone on, my levels have risen ( I also got off the BC pill in January, which could be one reason the T-levels rose so much, in combination with everything else.)

For what it's worth, the holistic practicioner is a friend, and someone whom I trust. But I see your point with the blood work and including more doctors.

I'm scared!!!! I feel like I'm going this alone, and I wish there were another female out there who could say "I've been through this- here's what to do!!" If only life provided road maps for every situation.
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:45 AM   #15
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Okay, I'll make some other appts. I hadn't considered UCSF, and no, I'm not with Kaiser, I'm with John Muir... When I had all the blood work done, it was between October and January of last year. Perhaps as time has gone on, my levels have risen ( I also got off the BC pill in January, which could be one reason the T-levels rose so much, in combination with everything else.)

For what it's worth, the holistic practicioner is a friend, and someone whom I trust. But I see your point with the blood work and including more doctors.

I'm scared!!!! I feel like I'm going this alone, and I wish there were another female out there who could say "I've been through this- here's what to do!!" If only life provided road maps for every situation.
Interesting. I finally kicked the BC pill to the curb last summer. I was put on it at age 16 for a skin issue (not acne, another issue that is apparently, totally rare, although reduced acne was a benefit). Of course, at 16, all I cared about was making the gross skin thing go away and didn't research hormonal issues, what a steady stream of estrogen can do to you, blah blah. The reason for putting me on the pill was that I had elevated free testosterone (at the time) and that the pill would balance out the testosterone with estrogen. I tested negative for PCOS.

After almost 10 years on the pill and lots of research into hormones in general I decided I'm better off without. So far, the original skin issue has not returned which leads me to believe that it either cleared itself up with age or that my hormones have leveled themselves out. Incidentally, my lifts have gone up A LOT in the last couple months and while I'm sure I'm still enjoying the benefits of being relatively new to heavy lifting/consistency, I have flirted with the idea that it may be related to my testosterone levels going back up slightly since I dropped the pill.

Anyway, I know this has nothing to do with your issue but just know that it took a GPP, a dermatologist, a gynecologist and a fertility specialist to conclude that I should be on the pill for my skin issue. So I would suggest a bunch of opinions from doctors in various areas of practice before you settle on a prescription and/or a solution.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:41 AM   #16
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I found your post interesting. Especially the connection that another poster made with PCOS.

My wife has PCOS and has the elevated testosterone levels that you are experiencing. One of the side effects that my wife hates about PCOS is weight gain. In particular around her mid section. My wife has the best legs I have ever seen. They have no fat on them at all. Her arms are the same way but she carries a little fat around he belly. This is fairly typical of other women I have seen with PCOS.

The cause of PCOS is still a mystery but they know that it has something to do with insulin resistance. Typically the treatment for PCOS is metformin. (Metformin is a treatment for Type 2 diabetes.)

One thing that has helped my wife is going on a mostly paleo diet. This has regulated her periods and made them more "normal".

So this is my take on it.

It's possible that during your years of competing that you possibly had PCOS and you unknowingly kept it under control with diet, i.e. high protien, low sugar consumption, healthy food. This would be the reason that you also kept your weight under control.

Now that you are no longer competing I would have to guess that your consumption of carbohydrates has significantly increased. Is this correct?

If it has, then this would explain the weight gain. My wife gains weight VERY easily. She really has to watch what she eats carefully. Carbs put weight on her FAST.

If you want to get diagnosed for PCOS by someone that knows what they are talking about go to a reproductive endocrinologist. Your regular Gyn. won't know enough about it... Trust me my wife was mis-diagnosed for 5 years.

BTW, take this for what it's worth... I have no medical background, I just read WAY too much.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:52 AM   #17
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Okay, I'll make some other appts. I hadn't considered UCSF, and no, I'm not with Kaiser, I'm with John Muir... When I had all the blood work done, it was between October and January of last year. Perhaps as time has gone on, my levels have risen ( I also got off the BC pill in January, which could be one reason the T-levels rose so much, in combination with everything else.)

For what it's worth, the holistic practicioner is a friend, and someone whom I trust. But I see your point with the blood work and including more doctors.

I'm scared!!!! I feel like I'm going this alone, and I wish there were another female out there who could say "I've been through this- here's what to do!!" If only life provided road maps for every situation.

For all you know, there's a good chance the test wasn't accurate.

Basically, the real thing you're concerned about is your struggle to lose weight after years of competitions right? And have a body composition more similar to when you were competing, despite hitting the CF workouts hard every week?

I'm pretty sure there are a TON of girls that can empathize with you there.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:54 AM   #18
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You need to see a medical doctor, more specifically a women's health doctor that could help you or refer you to a specialist.
this. And/or an endocrinologist.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:10 AM   #19
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For all you know, there's a good chance the test wasn't accurate.

Basically, the real thing you're concerned about is your struggle to lose weight after years of competitions right? And have a body composition more similar to when you were competing, despite hitting the CF workouts hard every week?

I'm pretty sure there are a TON of girls that can empathize with you there.
Everything I've read about her situation from this and her other posts indicates it's a bit more complicated than "Aww honey, you just want to lose weight like all the other girls!"
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:37 AM   #20
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Everything I've read about her situation from this and her other posts indicates it's a bit more complicated than "Aww honey, you just want to lose weight like all the other girls!"
Of course that's true, but the end result of whatever her problem is the inability to lose weight/look the way she wants. I'm sure plenty of people out there have had complicated health issues that have hindered their performance/aesthetic goals, health issues that took a while to get to the bottom of.
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