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Old 11-18-2015, 08:15 AM   #11
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Re: Crossfit and Coke

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Luke.. try not eating gluten and cut out sugar.. belly fat will go away and met cons should go better. Then drop some gluten back into the diet and let me know how it works.
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:31 AM   #12
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Not looking for any debate. When I saw that Crossfit made the Diabetes on the Coke can I thought it was about Coke. Now I have learned its about Big soda.

For me I used to eat plenty of sugar and was involved in many sports.

For the first 2 years in X fit I was a sugar person. I was outside the cut for the masters games. The last two years no or little sugar, no gluten and little fried foods. It has been a good change. Now sitting near the top of Masters Games.

My engine is way better. So maybe in my own way I am trying to also tell people that you could and I feel would be better off doing that.

Again I think its cool that x fit is going after companies, someone needs to. Government and other agencies are not doing it.
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Old 11-18-2015, 11:31 AM   #13
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For me I used to eat plenty of sugar and was involved in many sports.

For the first 2 years in X fit I was a sugar person. I was outside the cut for the masters games. The last two years no or little sugar, no gluten and little fried foods. It has been a good change. Now sitting near the top of Masters Games.

My engine is way better. So maybe in my own way I am trying to also tell people that you could and I feel would be better off doing that.
I'm afraid what you've got there my friend is what's called a "Questionable Cause" fallacy. Read up on "Correlation vs Causation" and "Post hoc ergo propter hoc"

Although your drop in REFINED sugar and transfat, likely had a huge effect on your recovery and in turn training volume, the drop in gluten would have almost certainly had zero effect. Science almost unamously agrees, you either have celiac deseas or you don't. Wide spread wheat allergy is considered to be a complete fallacy.


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Again I think its cool that x fit is going after companies, someone needs to. Government and other agencies are not doing it.
Sorry Trevor, this is also incorrect. There is much effort by governement to recognise the issue and do something about it, but the process is slow, and somewhat more delayed by Big Soda's lobby power.

Sean

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Old 11-19-2015, 12:07 PM   #14
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Re: Crossfit and Coke

Sean you have a lot of information. Thank you for the words. I am now informed a bit more about x fits stance.

After playing sports for 35 years I know what works for me and what doesn't.

Sometimes the Placebo effect is strong.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:13 PM   #15
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At the end of the day a calorie is a calorie.

A gram of protein, is a gram of protein. A gram of fat is just that. A carb is a carb.

Mix them poorly and you will have bad results.

Now excuse me, I have some Dr. Pepper to go drink from my fast food lunch at Whataburger.
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:24 PM   #16
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Sean you have a lot of information. Thank you for the words. I am now informed a bit more about x fits stance.

After playing sports for 35 years I know what works for me and what doesn't.

Sometimes the Placebo effect is strong.
Victor, it's not your incorrect concepts I have an issue with, it's the way you seem to be so confidently pushing them on others.

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Old 11-19-2015, 03:53 PM   #17
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At the end of the day a calorie is a calorie. A gram of protein is a gram of protein. A gram of fat is just that. A carb is a carb.
If only a calorie was a calorie...

The Skinny on Obesity (Episode 2)

Sugar and Corn Syrup (S+CS) are not just "bad" because they are addictive, non-filling, easily consumable, high calorie carriers. All these things matter maybe 20%, the issue by far is that sugar is unique in that it is both a carb AND a fat; almost unheard of...

The fructose in S+CS can only be metabolized by the liver, and when overloaded, toxicity occurs = disease. It's that simple. Obesity, Diabetes, the list goes on...

Here's some stats

Americans eat around 150g of sugar per day. Soda and sugary drinks make up perhaps 40% of that. Recommendations suggest that the body can really only handel maybe 40g, so sugar needs to be reduced by 70%. I hate to say it, cos I hate government intervention in markets, but that's only going to happen thru legislation.

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Old 11-19-2015, 06:45 PM   #18
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If only a calorie was a calorie...

The Skinny on Obesity (Episode 2)

Sugar and Corn Syrup (S+CS) are not just "bad" because they are addictive, non-filling, easily consumable, high calorie carriers. All these things matter maybe 20%, the issue by far is that sugar is unique in that it is both a carb AND a fat; almost unheard of...

The fructose in S+CS can only be metabolized by the liver, and when overloaded, toxicity occurs = disease. It's that simple. Obesity, Diabetes, the list goes on...

Here's some stats

Americans eat around 150g of sugar per day. Soda and sugary drinks make up perhaps 40% of that. Recommendations suggest that the body can really only handel maybe 40g, so sugar needs to be reduced by 70%. I hate to say it, cos I hate government intervention in markets, but that's only going to happen thru legislation.

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That's a lot of incorrect/misleading information
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:46 PM   #19
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Yeah, now I read it again, it's a little over simplified.

The video says it better than me.

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Old 11-20-2015, 12:25 AM   #20
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A gram of protein, is a gram of protein. A gram of fat is just that. A carb is a carb.
Not quite true, human metabolism is not yet fully discovered, the way it works, so new findings are gonna emerge eventually. I don't expect things to stay the same they are now.

Lately some new stuff came up: Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score and ileal digestibility of protein.

Basicly saying poorer quality proteins (like gluten, no surprise there, eh?) do not get fully digested by our gut and remains stay and rot (ferment), this is called: proteolytic fermentation.

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The end products of proteolytic fermentation include, phenolic compounds, amines, and ammonia, all of which are toxic. The proximal colon (right side) is essentially a site of saccharolytic fermentation, whereas the more distal (left side) sees more proteolytic fermentation. This is probably a major reason why many gastrointestinal disorders (including colon cancer, ulcerative colitis) predominate distally.



Here is a nice scorecard that shows which protein are best: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protei...ino_Acid_Score

Again, no surprise animal proteins are on top and plant protein (gluten) in the bottom. Thou, soy is pretty high, but soy have other problems!

Again, this is all pretty new stuff and it might come out as false, but there are findings that work towards this, time will show.

In the meantime I will just stay on the safe side and avoid plant proteins, like gluten, why risk it after all?

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