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Old 03-15-2014, 11:04 AM   #161
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

If A and B, then ~A or B.

That's the slight of hand. Connect ANY statement (true, false, or meaningless) with an "or" to a true statement, and logically, we have a true statement.

The 2009 ACSM Joint Position Statement is junk science, designed to deceive the exercising public and health/fitness professionals in order to promote Gatorade thirteen years after launch of their deadly hyper-hydration campaign.

It is also recklessly dangerous in light of the published scientific evidence on EAHE, it's etiology, and the past deaths/injuries from EAHE.

The Gatorade/ACSM nexus has been a threat to athletes, the public, health science, fitness science, athletic performance, and human health for as long as it's existed.

Here's the formula for evading the FDA...put your crap on the grocery store shelf without any life-threatening inferences on the label and then pay scientists to prescribe it's consumption at commonly fatal doses, and it all goes unnoticed.
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Old 03-17-2014, 12:01 PM   #162
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

One wonders how much Gatorade has paid the ACSM in total over the years. It's hard to find much publicly available information since the ACSM and the ACSM Foundation are both 501(c)(3) organizations.

That said, reporter Oliver Thring found out how much the ACSM was worth to Gatorade in 1992: (link is w/f safe)

"In 1992, Gatorade donated $250,000 to the American College of Sports Medicine, the largest body of its kind, with over 45,000 members. In 1993, Gatorade and the ACSM held a 'roundtable' meeting on 'exercise and fluid replacement'. The results of this were published in 1996 when the ACSM released guidelines claiming that athletes should strive for '0% dehydration' and 'drink as much as tolerable [sic]'."

There is little reason to believe that Gatorade's sponsorship of the ACSM has decreased since then.

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Old 03-17-2014, 01:03 PM   #163
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

I would also like a copy of the book, if any are still available. Thanks!


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Old 03-17-2014, 03:56 PM   #164
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

Gatorade is the "Premier" corporate sponsor of ACSM's 2014 Health and Fitness Summit and Exposition in Atlanta on April 1-4, 2014.

http://acsmsummit.org/exhibit-information/supporters/ YOU MUST ANNOTATE ALL LINKS WHETHER WORK AND FAMILY SAFE

Corporate sponsorship benefits include:

"targeted opportunities such as Presenting Rights to the exhibit area, keynote speakers, conference socials, and sessions. Tailored partnerships are available and may
include ACSM member promotions and web advertising."

More here in the sponsor prospectus:

http://acsmsummit.org/wp-content/upl...prospectus.pdf YOU MUST ANNOTATE ALL LINKS WHETHER WORK AND FAMILY SAFE
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:36 PM   #165
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

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Gatorade is the "Premier" corporate sponsor of ACSM's 2014 Health and Fitness Summit and Exposition in Atlanta on April 1-4, 2014.

http://acsmsummit.org/exhibit-information/supporters/

Corporate sponsorship benefits include:

"targeted opportunities such as Presenting Rights to the exhibit area, keynote speakers, conference socials, and sessions. Tailored partnerships are available and may
include ACSM member promotions and web advertising."

More here in the sponsor prospectus:

http://acsmsummit.org/wp-content/upl...prospectus.pdf
And this isn't just ACSM, we are seeing the same kind of companies over the last decade absolutely storm and take over the funding of annual nutrition expo's. Companies like Pepsi, Nestle, General Mills etc. dumping tons of money to sponsor seminars and expo's. Nutritionists are being paid $50,000 by these companies to hold seminars explaining (somehow) that sugar is good for kids and not bad. Absolute corruption. Plain to see why people are not taking the didactic nutritionist route.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:58 PM   #166
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

Didn't read between pages 2 and 16 (because who cares?) but all I can say is THANK YOU!!! The guys over at Science of Sport (wfs) turned my head on this issue a couple years ago and ever since then it has felt like I was on a one man crusade to explain what Coach has summed up so nicely. Gatorade et al created the BS research to sell their product and in the process, changed sport science not only for the worse but in a truly dangerous manner.

Your body has a perfect mechanism for keeping itself hydrated, it's called "thirst". Look it up.

I highly recommend reading all the following links (all are WFS) and if there are any left, I would love a copy of the book! You're on the list - Regards, Lynne

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2013...n-heat-stroke/

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007...t-of-interest/

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007...rcise-part-ii/

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007...cise-part-iii/

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007...rcise-part-iv/

And once again, thank you to Coach and to CrossFit for having the balls to question the status quo and speak the truth.
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:22 AM   #167
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

Interesting stuff. If it is not too late, I would like a copy of the book too.

You're on the list - Regards,
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:56 AM   #168
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

Here is an unfortunate sporting death needing further investigation, occurring immediately following the conclusion of a half marathon. The potential causes are still wide open, but possible hyponatremia needs to be on the list to be considered.

http://www.weather.com/health/virgin...athon-20140318 YOU MUST ANNOTATE ALL LINKS WHETHER WORK AND FAMILY SAFE
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:57 AM   #169
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Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM

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Here is an unfortunate sporting death needing further investigation, occurring immediately following the conclusion of a half marathon. The potential causes are still wide open, but possible hyponatremia needs to be on the list to be considered.

http://www.weather.com/health/virgin...athon-20140318
I saw this story and immediately thought of hyponatremia. The report sights cardiac arrest as a possible cause, which has been known to happen in young athletes with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Unfortunately the first symptom of cardiomyopathy is often death.

It will be interesting to see if more information comes out about her case. Very sad.
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:22 AM   #170
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I saw this story and immediately thought of hyponatremia. The report sights cardiac arrest as a possible cause, which has been known to happen in young athletes with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Unfortunately the first symptom of cardiomyopathy is often death.

It will be interesting to see if more information comes out about her case. Very sad.
Cardiomyopathy would definitely be a possibility as well.

In the vast majority of deaths, the immediate cause of death is cardiopulmonary arrest--the heart stops beating. That is almost certainly what happened as the immediate cause in a case such as this one. The key is determining what caused the heart to stop beating. Hyponatremia, if causing death, would do so by causing cardiopulmonary arrest--I'm pretty sure the mechanism is a lack of the electrolytes which are necessary for continued heart function.

I would anticipate they would do an autopsy and also run post-mortem toxicology and lab work which would allow a determination to be made regarding whether hyponatremia was a cause or contributing cause.
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