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Old 07-24-2011, 08:53 AM   #21
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Re: is fruit mandatory on paleo?

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One guy did a test where he went on a no-fructose diet (no juice, no fruit) and measured his cholesterol, LDL, albumin, and iron levels. He then changed his diet to have 14 ounces of OJ upon waking and before bed (so 28 ounces of juice per day) for a week and then measured his numbers again.
Have you ever squeezed fresh orange juice?

28 ounces of OJ is probably a dozen oranges or more. Daily.

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Old 07-24-2011, 01:56 PM   #22
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Re: is fruit mandatory on paleo?

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Fruit=/=fruit juice
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Have you ever squeezed fresh orange juice?

28 ounces of OJ is probably a dozen oranges or more. Daily.
But fructose = fructose. Concentrate has more additives, but single strength is just pasteurized orange juice.

And yeah I realized that, 28 ounces of juice is a lot of sugar (~77g with the OJ in my fridge) but it's still surprising to see his number rise like that just from OJ.
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:06 PM   #23
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But fructose = fructose. Concentrate has more additives, but single strength is just pasteurized orange juice.

And yeah I realized that, 28 ounces of juice is a lot of sugar (~77g with the OJ in my fridge) but it's still surprising to see his number rise like that just from OJ.

Most fruit juice is devoid of fiber.
Fructose very rarely comes in nature without fiber.
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:16 PM   #24
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Most fruit juice is devoid of fiber.
Fructose very rarely comes in nature without fiber.
Truth.
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Old 07-24-2011, 04:17 PM   #25
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Re: is fruit mandatory on paleo?

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But fructose = fructose. Concentrate has more additives, but single strength is just pasteurized orange juice.

And yeah I realized that, 28 ounces of juice is a lot of sugar (~77g with the OJ in my fridge) but it's still surprising to see his number rise like that just from OJ.
I'm not surprised. Eat fruit, abstain from fruit juice. If you don't enjoy fruit, don't eat it.
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:35 PM   #26
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Re: is fruit mandatory on paleo?

n=1 but an interesting read

http://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog/...rom-fruit.html WFS
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:13 PM   #27
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I bet mitch was very overweight and sedentary.

And lol at Matt Stone being the first response and now he eats tons of fruit. Funny.
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Old 07-24-2011, 08:11 PM   #28
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Re: is fruit mandatory on paleo?

"Mitch sat in my office, looking much the same as he had on prior visits.

At 5 ft 7 inches, he weighed a comfortable 159 lb, though he did have a small visible “paunch” above his beltline. "

Overweight?


But I would tend to think, with the metabolic pathways that fructose takes, limiting fruit to a "normal" levels would be wise. 3 or 4 pieces of fruit probably have about 10-30g of fructose a day depending on the fruit selection. This compared to 40-50 grams per giant soda is a vastly different scenario than what the human body is setup to handle.

In the end fruit is good. Eating nothing but fruit probably isn't. Eating no fruit is probably fine as well so long as you are getting a large amount and large variety of nutrient dense veggies.
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:49 PM   #29
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Most fruit juice is devoid of fiber.
Fructose very rarely comes in nature without fiber.
That was my point. It's relatively easy to drink 28 oz of orange juice. But I doubt most people would want to eat a dozen oranges a day. Fruit consumption tends to be self-limiting for that reason.

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Old 07-25-2011, 02:19 PM   #30
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Re: is fruit mandatory on paleo?

thanks for the help guys, i added three pieces of fruit per day since the first post and believe it or not i actually feel significantly better throughout the day. so far I'm just eating apples and pears until i find any other fruits i enjoy/arent allergic to (can't eat most pitted fruits)
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