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Old 10-08-2010, 06:46 AM   #21
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Re: From charlespoliquin: The "Functional" Training Delusion

surely it all boils back down to relativity at the end of the day.Having a goal and choosing the best and quickest way to get there while gaining maximin
health benefits,single joint is functional simply because we can create a single joint movement,As babys when we grow we are preforming both multiply joint and single joint movements, its pure instict we need both to achieve our goal,to fucntion,So in summery for me we cant call one type of exercises superior over another.we need to apply it to the task and decide with one will achieve that goal better for ME.Then it may become appropriate.
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Old 10-08-2010, 08:22 AM   #22
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Re: From charlespoliquin: The "Functional" Training Delusion

"functional training is not superior to traditional strength training"

Given the author's definition of these two words

Functional = replication of daily activities

Traditional = some combination of barbell or dumbbell lifts and machines


I would agree with his statement
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:39 AM   #23
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Re: From charlespoliquin: The "Functional" Training Delusion

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This is all that needed to be said, everything else was superfluous.

I completely agree.
there is too much generalization in this article, it all depends on individual conditions and goals. I think the main target of this article was "functional" dogma.
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Old 10-08-2010, 04:09 PM   #24
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Re: From charlespoliquin: The "Functional" Training Delusion

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Well, maybe we're devolving into a semantic argument here, but Minor's primary thesis is not that single-joint movements can be functional (which is hard to disagree with), but rather is stated in the opening line: "functional training is not superior to traditional strength training" while Poliquin seems to be arguing just the opposite.
Although that is the opening line, it's kind of a "gotcha" because it proves the assumption that most readers will falsely distinguish between "functional" and "traditional" but in reality functional can also be found within traditional as long the movements are chosen properly to obtain specific goals. What he goes on to explain in the article essentially re-defines his own opening line by offering a more practical perspective on what one should think of when they hear the word "functional". That is, NOT a whole different system of training from "traditional" but rather to examine what you are doing and determine if it is serving it's purpose, regardless of whether it is multi-joint, isolation, traditional, or whatever.

Poliquin is pointing out that in general so-called "functional" movements (like squats) are usually superior to leg extensions because most people are using extensions with the wrong goal in mind (avoidance of pain rather than achievement of performance). Not exactly the opposite of Minor, although I can see what you're getting at.
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Old 10-08-2010, 04:26 PM   #25
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Re: From charlespoliquin: The "Functional" Training Delusion

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Well, maybe we're devolving into a semantic argument here, but Minor's primary thesis is not that single-joint movements can be functional (which is hard to disagree with), but rather is stated in the opening line: "functional training is not superior to traditional strength training" while Poliquin seems to be arguing just the opposite.
Except aren't squats and deadlifts about as "traditional" as you can get, predating machines by hundreds if not thousands of years?

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Old 10-09-2010, 04:40 PM   #26
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Re: From charlespoliquin: The "Functional" Training Delusion

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Except aren't squats and deadlifts about as "traditional" as you can get, predating machines by hundreds if not thousands of years?

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It's a little know fact that early Paleo man actually built a rudimentary leg extension machine out of vines and logs. Cave drawing indicate they used this hundreds of years before squatting was discovered.

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