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Old 06-07-2015, 01:20 PM   #161
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

If that was true you would see natural bodybuilders doing CrossFit instead of bodybuilding routines
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Old 06-08-2015, 04:01 AM   #162
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

That's a very old quote and stems from the time where the claim also was 'mainpage is all you need'. A seperate strength program, a seperate oly lift program, etc. were all deemed superfluous.

Every succesful crossfit athlete has proven that wrong.
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Old 07-15-2015, 04:26 PM   #163
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

A little more transparency with CrossFit drug testing:

http://games.crossfit.com/article/sa...icy-violations (wfs)

The athletes named using anti-estrogen or anabolic steroids:
- Steve Pinkerton
- Elia Navarro Garcia
- Richard Bohlken
- Abigail Guerrero

Athlete named using stimulant:
- Taylor Stallings

Athlete who avoided testing when called upon to provide a sample:
- Ryan Fisher

Steve Pinkerton commented on medical treatment on his affiliate's blog that caused him to fail the drug test:
http://crossfitvitality.com/2015/07/.../#.VabjB_lVikp (wfs)

This thread has had discussion about the appearance of an athlete being an indication of PED use. Abigail Guerrero (wfs) doesn't look to fit that mold. She has a fit yet feminine appearance to me.

Ryan Fisher may have been the athlete Dave Castro referred to here: https://instagram.com/p/x7nPQpwjXS/ (not wfs, language). He is also the athlete with multiple no reps in 2013 Regionals, whose backstage discipline was shared on youtube (not wfs, language).
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:24 PM   #164
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

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A little more transparency with CrossFit drug testing:

http://games.crossfit.com/article/sa...icy-violations (wfs)

The athletes named using anti-estrogen or anabolic steroids:
- Steve Pinkerton
- Elia Navarro Garcia
- Richard Bohlken
- Abigail Guerrero

Athlete named using stimulant:
- Taylor Stallings

Athlete who avoided testing when called upon to provide a sample:
- Ryan Fisher

Steve Pinkerton commented on medical treatment on his affiliate's blog that caused him to fail the drug test:
http://crossfitvitality.com/2015/07/.../#.VabjB_lVikp (wfs)

This thread has had discussion about the appearance of an athlete being an indication of PED use. Abigail Guerrero (wfs) doesn't look to fit that mold. She has a fit yet feminine appearance to me.

Ryan Fisher may have been the athlete Dave Castro referred to here: https://instagram.com/p/x7nPQpwjXS/ (not wfs, language). He is also the athlete with multiple no reps in 2013 Regionals, whose backstage discipline was shared on youtube (not wfs, language).
Check Ryan Fisher's Instagram for more details related to his one year ban. He says he did inform the testing people of his whereabouts on that day, which happened to be the OC Throwdown where he was competing. Just reporting what he posted. More info on his IG page.
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Old 07-16-2015, 12:59 AM   #165
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

So, why wouldn't he inform them he's at the OC throwdown?

Its pee in a cup and some blood?

There's probably a clause to delay the blood draw for good reasons as well.

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Old 07-16-2015, 06:20 AM   #166
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

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This thread has had discussion about the appearance of an athlete being an indication of PED use. Abigail Guerrero (wfs) doesn't look to fit that mold. She has a fit yet feminine appearance to me.
Yes, however, the google images search on Elia Navarro Garcia turns up this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Elia...w=1078&bih=697 (possibly NWFS)

Her positive test was for Oxandrolone/Anavar, which if you follow female bodybuilding is one of the more popular drugs of choice for women. Does her physique in any way implicate other athletes who look similar? Probably a very difficult question to answer with any confidence, but I imagine some will speculate.
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:27 AM   #167
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

Here's Ryan Fischer's instagram post:

https://instagram.com/p/5LOdg8PIhT/ (wfs)

His text message doesn't specifically say, "OC Throwdown," only that he is "competing again all day." The "again" implies that he'd been in contact with them before, and probably told them before which competition it was. Also, he says, "My forms specify where I am." Some athletes submit forms on their whereabouts throughout the year, which makes short-notice drug testing easier. The official doing the drug test can be in the same city before they notify the athlete that they are about to be tested.

Basic fact checking:
2015 OC Throwdown competition was Jan 9-11.

The text capture states Jan 11.

Two photos of Fischer at the competition, shared on Jan 11:

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialOCT...185536/?type=1 (wfs)

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialOCT...527606/?type=1 (wfs)

Dave Castro's Instagram comment was shared 26 weeks ago, or around Jan 15th. (May not be referring to Fischer, just circumstantial.)
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:47 AM   #168
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

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Originally Posted by Christopher Morris View Post
A little more transparency with CrossFit drug testing:

http://games.crossfit.com/article/sa...icy-violations (wfs)

The athletes named using anti-estrogen or anabolic steroids:
- Steve Pinkerton
- Elia Navarro Garcia
- Richard Bohlken
- Abigail Guerrero

Athlete named using stimulant:
- Taylor Stallings

Athlete who avoided testing when called upon to provide a sample:
- Ryan Fisher

Steve Pinkerton commented on medical treatment on his affiliate's blog that caused him to fail the drug test:
http://crossfitvitality.com/2015/07/.../#.VabjB_lVikp (wfs)

This thread has had discussion about the appearance of an athlete being an indication of PED use. Abigail Guerrero (wfs) doesn't look to fit that mold. She has a fit yet feminine appearance to me.

Ryan Fisher may have been the athlete Dave Castro referred to here: https://instagram.com/p/x7nPQpwjXS/ (not wfs, language). He is also the athlete with multiple no reps in 2013 Regionals, whose backstage discipline was shared on youtube (not wfs, language).
Waaaaaiiiiiit a minute... The girl who deadlifted 475 in a Grid Match got popped for a PED? No way I am buying that one...

Levity aside, I think that at least at the regional level, Crossfit is a filthy sport & makes me not even want to compete in the Open. I love Crossfit, I'll always do it, theres something about doing a Mainsite workout in my garage that is still so much fun. But I definitely think my days of worrying about The Open are done. No ones fault, just the nature of the sport & the growth that has happened. I love that the OG's in this sport can make a living at it & still compete, but I think the drugs in the sport are way worse than I originally thought.
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:58 AM   #169
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

I found this blog post from Elia Navarro Garcia, auto-translated from Spanish by Google:

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RIDING THE STORM / RIDING THE STORM.
Due to the impact and importance of the subject, I would like to clarify a few things about the publication that has Crossfit Games.

First, I would like to apologize to my sponsors, fans and family. That's the most important.

In September 2014 I suffered a serious back injury, I fractured vertebra D11 and doctors, to make an initial assessment, I was warned of the possibility of not able to compete again. Due to injury visited different medical specialists and finally opted for conservative treatment with corset and medication accordingly.

During the period of convalescence, I was recommended to take oxandrolone to accelerate and ensure healing of the fracture in the D11 I had after the fall. I declined and decided to continue prescribing conventional treatment had been doing. Doctors stressed that competition should not train until January level, I ignored and started in November because I felt good and my goal was the 2015 Open and Regional.

Open at the end I began to feel discomfort in the area of ​​the fracture, probably due to the load and volume of training that had to reach Regional best; so I decided exclusively only my knowledge and judgment and fear of a relapse-administer therapeutic doses recommended by sports doctor above.

Clearly it was a misguided and impulsive decision but I took proactively considering that my health could be affected again and away from competitions for a longer period of time. Faced with the communication of test results decided not to appeal because I have strong reasons for what I did, and I take my responsibility for having done that.

Although I know that many do not do them any good, as many understand what I mean.

I just want to say that I accept my fault, sorry what happened and I will continue training and competing, because it is what I live and what makes me happy. At no time was my intention to alter the results of the competition.

I want to make very clear to the exclusion of all guilt and knowledge to my team and sponsors, as well as I have said before, this was a personal decision.

Attached documents for anyone who wishes, has more information about what happened. Are those sent Crossfit to expose everything written above.

I appreciate all the messages of support that are coming to me, all your opinions make me stronger.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:05 AM   #170
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Re: Is Rich Froning the next Lance Armstrong?

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Here's Ryan Fischer's instagram post:

https://instagram.com/p/5LOdg8PIhT/ (wfs)

His text message doesn't specifically say, "OC Throwdown," only that he is "competing again all day." The "again" implies that he'd been in contact with them before, and probably told them before which competition it was. Also, he says, "My forms specify where I am." Some athletes submit forms on their whereabouts throughout the year, which makes short-notice drug testing easier. The official doing the drug test can be in the same city before they notify the athlete that they are about to be tested.

Basic fact checking:
2015 OC Throwdown competition was Jan 9-11.

The text capture states Jan 11.

Two photos of Fischer at the competition, shared on Jan 11:

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialOCT...185536/?type=1 (wfs)

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialOCT...527606/?type=1 (wfs)

Dave Castro's Instagram comment was shared 26 weeks ago, or around Jan 15th. (May not be referring to Fischer, just circumstantial.)
Would be interesting to see the date and time he received the text notifying him he was selected.
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