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Old 02-14-2004, 06:57 PM   #1
will schrenk
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Hi,

What's folks views on the olde tyme clean and press with dumbbell or barbell? I have always liked them as being a "poor mans" olympic weight lifting and was wondering why they weren't in the crossfit stable? Are there deficiencies with the exercises, or are the Olympic lifts simply superior?

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Old 02-16-2004, 08:27 PM   #2
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Hi Will,
I haven't heard of clean & press but I assume it means to simply clean the bar and then soulder press it from there. If thats the excercise then my answer would be that such a movement would have its biggest value in the way of something different to try, such as the odd lifts that we've dug up from the past. As for an excercise to be incorporated on a frequent basis, it would be obsolite in the way of efficiently putting heavy loads overhead when stacked up to the Clean & Jerk. To become more efficent at putting loads overhead you would want to most often practice the best way that humans can do that. If you feel so inclined to do an experement to reveal the value of some lifts from the ground to overhead try this test:

Continue this sequence untill one type of lift is left remaining. The lift remaining will be determined the superior lift. Set up a 95lb barbell.

1st rep deadlift, curl & shoulder-press
2nd rep clean & shoulder-press
3rd rep clean & push-press
4th rep clean & push-jerk
(again)
5th deadlift, curl & shoulder-press
6th clean & shoulder-press
7th clean & push-press
8th clean & push-jerk
(again)
9th deadlift, curl & shoulder-press
continue...:happy:
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Old 02-17-2004, 08:33 PM   #3
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Will,

The late J.V. Askem has a very good article about the Olympic Clean & Press along with some interesting illustrations demonstrating why this lift was removed from Olympic style weightlifting competition. You'll find the article @ http://jva.ontariostrongman.ca/PRESS.htm.

David makes some very good points. Additionally, with regards to pure pressing power, an important exercise/skill in the "CrossFit stable" as a long-term challenge is the unsupported HSPU on rings. Specifically, this is Crossfit challenge #8 ("15 Handstand push-ups on the rings. Contact with the straps/cables is cool, climbing them with the legs is an immediate DQ"). While not included in the WOD, it's an extra skill to be worked on and developed on the side. You'll find the handstands, HSPU's, parallette and ring work include in the WOD are helpful in the progression to developing this skill. Once mastered, one will have achieved tremendous pressing power.

You'll find further discussion about this by searching the message board (for example, http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/22/1363.html)
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Old 02-18-2004, 04:59 AM   #4
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Thanks for the excellent feedback and information!
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