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Old 06-09-2009, 02:49 PM   #1
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Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

A question that's been bugging me....

Back angle on a Deadlift compared to first pull on Olympic lift (Clean or Snatch)

Can someone please explain the difference and the reason behind the angles?

As I understand it when Cleaning/Snatching you want a more upright torso, as though you are almost in squatting position.

And with the Deadlift as a seperate stand alone movement, requires a more (relatively speaking compared to the above) horizontal back angle (and therefor high hips relative to knees).

I may be getting the wrong end of the stick with these things, but would love to hear logical reasoning behind them if my assumptions are correct?

Many thanks in advance!
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:11 PM   #2
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

The deadlift is a pure strength movement. The back angle is designed to move the range of motion into the big strong muscles of the posterior chain.

The clean and snatch require a great deal of coordination. The back angle, and the movement in general, have to be as vertical as possible to move the bar along the optimal path of delivery for the catch.
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:19 PM   #3
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

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The deadlift is a pure strength movement. The back angle is designed to move the range of motion into the big strong muscles of the posterior chain.

The clean and snatch require a great deal of coordination. The back angle, and the movement in general, have to be as vertical as possible to move the bar along the optimal path of delivery for the catch.
And hence the 'double knee bend' in Olifts and not in DLs

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(just to make matters even MORE confusing)...
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:19 PM   #4
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

Is this the same reason for the different positionings of the head?
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:23 PM   #5
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

The back angle of the deadlift is designed to allow the most optimal transfer of force to the barbell from the ground up.

As for the Olympic lifts, the least of the lifter's worries is getting the weight off the ground during the first pull, and as such proper deadlift mechanics are not required, allowing the lifter to focus their positioning in a way that gives them the most powerful second pull.
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

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A question that's been bugging me....

Back angle on a Deadlift compared to first pull on Olympic lift (Clean or Snatch)

Can someone please explain the difference and the reason behind the angles?

As I understand it when Cleaning/Snatching you want a more upright torso, as though you are almost in squatting position.

And with the Deadlift as a seperate stand alone movement, requires a more (relatively speaking compared to the above) horizontal back angle (and therefor high hips relative to knees).

I may be getting the wrong end of the stick with these things, but would love to hear logical reasoning behind them if my assumptions are correct?

Many thanks in advance!
To me it's as simple as where you jump from...you don't jump with the angle in a deadlift (at least if you want to jump high and explosively) you have to get your torso upright...seems more efficient to start there.
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

Thank you all for your replies!

Karin.... please don't say double bend .... Commando Steve at CFX in Sydney last year was talking about double knee bend and it sent my head into a spin!

Holy crap.... have you got any good links/ videos that show and explain double knee bend?! ;-)

Aushion, Júlíus and Christopher - thank you for your replies too - does that mean as part of improving one's O lifting abilities you should practice DL'ing in the more upright position for good carry over to Snatch/C&J?
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

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Aushion, Júlíus and Christopher - thank you for your replies too - does that mean as part of improving one's O lifting abilities you should practice DL'ing in the more upright position for good carry over to Snatch/C&J?
Yes, they're called snatch/clean deadlifts (depending on your grip).
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

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does that mean as part of improving one's O lifting abilities you should practice DL'ing in the more upright position for good carry over to Snatch/C&J?
You should practice snatch/clean pulls to improve your snatches/cleans
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Re: Difference between DL'ing and Olympic lifting?

Start position/back angles -
http://www.cathletics.com/articles/i...ty&shortyID=49

DKB -
http://www.cathletics.com/wod/video/...SemDVD-DKB.mov

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