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Old 04-16-2012, 08:31 AM   #41
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Bob and Arden I really appreciate the honest assessments. Its hard to get first hand insight on this topic not knowing anyone that is on TRT. Another question for you, does the injections hurt? Do you get used to giving them to yourself? Also what does it cost you per month on average? Does your insurance cover it? I have been reading that a lot don't.

Bob keeps us updated on how you are feeling day to day and your T levels if you can; it is really helpful.
The injections don't hurt at all. When I was stupid, I used a compound call T400 that was imported from Mexico. It was high in Benzyl alcohol. It had twice the potency of normal human grade testosterone. One cc in my quad had me limping for two days. Human grade doctor prescribed is not painful at all. I use shorter needles because I have relatively low bodyfat and as I mentioned in a previous post, I rotate the injections sites to keep scar tissue from building up.

Yes, I did get used to giving the shots myself. I am very lucky in that I am ambidextrious so giving them with my left hand or my right hand is not complicated. Some people may have different stories on that issue if they chose to rotate the injection sites.

I get 5 ccs of Testoerone enthanate paid for my by health insurance. There's a $20 co-pay. The needles cost about $1 a piece. I use 4 needles every 4 weeks. A 5cc bottle lasts me 10 weeks as I take 100mg a week (it's a 200mg potency, so 10 shots per bottle. Monthly cost would be about $14.

Health insurance will pay for it if you are diagnosed with hypogonadism. TRT is the proper protocol for treatment. If you go through a life extension clinic it will likely not be covered as that is seen as "cosmetic" and not necessary.

To get your health insurance to pay for it, you will need to go through the proper procedures and actually be diagnosed with hypogonadism. For me that entailed 6 months of observation by a endochronolgist (sp) - which included, as best I can remember, 8 to 10 rounds of blood work and monthly follow ups. Endo's are specialists, so there is normally extra fees associated with the visits. The blood work can add up too.

But, to me, in the long run, it was worth it.

Also, I just learned that my liver enyzmes are finally making their way back to normal. So excited about that. When they came back high, my PCP insisted I start taking Milk Thistle. I did that and researched on it on my own. I found that ALA and a few other compounds are good for long term liver health if you go the TRT route.

I hope that helps?

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Arden
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Old 04-16-2012, 01:58 PM   #42
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Ouch!! That sounds like torture shooting yourself I the quad.


I'm hoping I don't have to go through all that with my insurance.. Not sure how it's gonna play out. I feel great but I'm not sure if it's worth going through all this.

Here's a quick update.

I've been sleeping like a newborn infant for the first time in years. Sex drive is amazing.. No strength gains obviously but during my workouts I have good energy, and for some reason amazing pumps. Although I've never trained for pumps LOL.

I did notice yesterday morning that my face is kind of puffy. And I'm about 2-3 lbs heavier than usual. Hopefully this is normal with TRT and doesn't indicate something bad.
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Old 04-16-2012, 02:36 PM   #43
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Ouch!! That sounds like torture shooting yourself I the quad.


I'm hoping I don't have to go through all that with my insurance.. Not sure how it's gonna play out. I feel great but I'm not sure if it's worth going through all this.

Here's a quick update.

I've been sleeping like a newborn infant for the first time in years. Sex drive is amazing.. No strength gains obviously but during my workouts I have good energy, and for some reason amazing pumps. Although I've never trained for pumps LOL.

I did notice yesterday morning that my face is kind of puffy. And I'm about 2-3 lbs heavier than usual. Hopefully this is normal with TRT and doesn't indicate something bad.
Bob,
I have rather large legs so lots of beef there for me. It was in the vastus lateralus (sp) (outside of the leg) and there's very few veins and nerves there, so it was never a problem for me. Also way easier to asperate than on delts and glutes.

Face puffiness is likely water retention. Watch your salt intake. If you're taking creatine stop. You don't need it now. The weight gain is just water. Keep the sodium down and that should dissipate.

And yes, it's a normal iniital response.

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Old 04-16-2012, 02:50 PM   #44
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Thank Arden

Oops I have been taking 10g a day of creatine. I'll stop immediately. That explains why look like the marshmallow man overnight. Plus that beef jerky I ate the other day, didn't help.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:33 AM   #45
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Wow that doesn't seem that expensive per month at all. I was thinking it would be like $100+ a month.
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Wow that doesn't seem that expensive per month at all. I was thinking it would be like $100+ a month.
When I first started, my endo coded it wrong. I ended up paying $150 for 10cc bottle at WalMart out of my own pocket. But that 10cc bottle lasted 20 weeks. So even if the script was not covered by my insurance, it still only cost about $20 to $25 a month.

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When I first started, my endo coded it wrong. I ended up paying $150 for 10cc bottle at WalMart out of my own pocket. But that 10cc bottle lasted 20 weeks. So even if the script was not covered by my insurance, it still only cost about $20 to $25 a month.

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Something just makes me chuckle , that they sell Test at Walmart.
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Old 04-18-2012, 03:56 AM   #48
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Yeah Cain, you ar definitely low. I was low normal and I was suffering , I can only imagine how you feel. Just take the ZMA at bedtime. It's a really safe supplement, so no need to put too much thought into it. It will probably give you creepy dreams though. Hopefully it helps you out. Check out fenugreek also. It's a natural herb. Seemed to help me with libido and recovery a bit.

The only problem with these over the counter things is the effects for me, seemed to be very temporary. I would feel a boost in libido for a week or two, then it was back to baseline. Good luck with it though.

What is your doctor telling you to do?
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So I've been feeling good. Same good effects. I've just noticed on thing. I'm about 7 days in on my first shot , and the puffiness I had went away. But now my nipples are a little sensitive . No puffy or painful just a little more sensitive than usual. I have no more testicular soreness though. Should I be alarmed about the nipples just yet?
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So I've been feeling good. Same good effects. I've just noticed on thing. I'm about 7 days in on my first shot , and the puffiness I had went away. But now my nipples are a little sensitive . No puffy or painful just a little more sensitive than usual. I have no more testicular soreness though. Should I be alarmed about the nipples just yet?
Tis the reason I get shots every 7 days - that's when the test starts to lower and your body starts producing estrogen in way to combat the increased test levels.

An anti-estrogen would be good, but many places don't prescribe it. Armidex or Nolvadex works best.

Patrick Arnold developed a supplement a few years ago - 6OXO - that worked the same as Nolvadex. But I am certain it was/has been banned from production.

The soreness should subside. But I would tell your doctor and perhaps an armidex would be better to fight the estrogen rebound - if he persists on these periodic shots.

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