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Old 03-17-2012, 07:31 AM   #1
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Jumping from Primal to Zone and Unsure

Hello,

I've been doing Primal for a while with really great health benefits, I feel fantastic and am keen to keep on the right track.

However, man, I miss fruit!

I am not getting very many fruit or veg on Primal, but I am getting a lot of meat, fat and nuts. I can't help thinking that I'm missing a fair few essential minerals and nutrients through not getting enough greenage.

I'd like to up my allowable carbs to allow me to get more fruit, so I thought I would take a paleo/zone approach.

The trouble is, I am trying to lower BF and up muscle. I am 5'10 and 78kgs.

This is what I had in mind. It's 126g of Protein, 162g of Carbs and 75g of Fat.

The problem is, I've no idea if that's a lot or too little? It comes out to just under 2000 kcals a day, but does the macro effect things adversely?

Confused but keen.

Help.
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Old 03-17-2012, 07:54 AM   #2
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Re: Jumping from Primal to Zone and Unsure

Who said you can't eat fruits and vegetables while eating primal? And how do you expect to add muscle at only 2000 calories a day?
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Old 03-17-2012, 08:37 AM   #3
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This calculator:

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/wei...calculator.htm (WFS)

says you need 3100 for bulking, 3600 if you are naturally skinny. So multiply all your numbers by about 1.5-2 and you should be ok.
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Old 03-17-2012, 08:56 AM   #4
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Re: Jumping from Primal to Zone and Unsure

Veggies are good for you and have effectively no calories. Eat them.

Since you are 6" taller than me, weigh 20 kg more, and are male, you probably need to eat more than me. What idiot told you to be afraid of fruit?

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Old 03-17-2012, 10:26 AM   #5
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Re: Jumping from Primal to Zone and Unsure

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What idiot told you to be afraid of fruit?

Katherine
not me!!! trust me man take a bite of an apple and then strait away have some walnuts strait away mixed with apple=amazing!!!
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:22 AM   #6
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Re: Jumping from Primal to Zone and Unsure

Well, damnit. I am confused.

3000 calories seems like loads! How does someone eating Paleo manage it??
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:24 AM   #7
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Well, damnit. I am confused.

3000 calories seems like loads! How does someone eating Paleo manage it??
For starters, they eat fruit. And probably sweet potatoes. And good fats.

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Old 03-17-2012, 11:44 AM   #8
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Re: Jumping from Primal to Zone and Unsure

3000 calories is not very many for an active male trying to gain muscle mass. Like Katherine said, lots of protein, fats, and dense carbs. There's far worse things than adding in stuff like oats and rice every now and then.
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:59 AM   #9
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Re: Jumping from Primal to Zone and Unsure

Fruit, Squashes, avocados, olive oil, nuts, coconut - all "strict" paleo or primal (both of which do not have to be low carb diets if that isn't right for your needs - if you're very athletic, trying to low carb is ridiculous)... And even, if you've been strict and tested that you have no sensitivity issues, (*gasp*) rice, oats, potatoes...

Primal includes sprouted grains and raw dairy, with those you should be having no issue getting enough calories...
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:09 PM   #10
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What are sprouted grains?

Also you've all been awesome so far.
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