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Old 01-12-2011, 08:07 AM   #1
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clean and jerk

hi all.

I have a question regarding the clean and jerk that youve all prob read before
,when you lift from the floor,are the hips and knee extending at the same speed.

i know in the snatch the knee extends first and the hips come into after,is it the same for the clean and jerk,

thanks again,hope yous are all well
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:48 AM   #2
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Re: clean and jerk

As I understand it, the first pull for the snatch and C&J are the same.

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Old 01-12-2011, 11:54 AM   #3
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Re: clean and jerk

when i lift from the floor my hips try not to move, it's 99% knees getting back
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Old 01-12-2011, 02:59 PM   #4
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Re: clean and jerk

For the oly lifts, the major cue to be watching for are the hips/shoulders rising at the same time. The knees should naturally begin first; but too much knee extension will cause the butt to rise before the shoulders, which we don't want.

The goal is to have the knees/hips reach full extension simultaneously (with the shrug) to provide the upward explosion you need.
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Old 01-12-2011, 03:33 PM   #5
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Re: clean and jerk

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i know in the snatch the knee extends first and the hips come into after
Not so.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:48 PM   #6
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Re: clean and jerk

In both the clean and the snatch the shoulders and hips should rise at the same rate during the first pull, the difference is in the setup.

If your hips rise too fast (shooting your hips) you will be in a less than optimal position for the power spike in the 2nd pull. Probably better to film yourself to see this, unless you are really in tune with your body...

If your shoulders rise faster than your hips, the bar will either hit your shins, knees, or brush just above the knee
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Old 01-13-2011, 02:30 AM   #7
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In both the clean and the snatch the shoulders and hips should rise at the same rate during the first pull, the difference is in the setup.

If your hips rise too fast (shooting your hips) you will be in a less than optimal position for the power spike in the 2nd pull. Probably better to film yourself to see this, unless you are really in tune with your body...

If your shoulders rise faster than your hips, the bar will either hit your shins, knees, or brush just above the knee
Thanks all,

Just to clearify what ralston is saying,the hips and knees rise at the same time in both lifts,ok got that,the first pull is the same in both lifts

but am I rigt in saying that the knee extends before hip extension,that you gotta keep that back angle constant for the first pull,(the hips are rising but the angle is constant so you alsmost at full leg extension before the hips start really opening up,that what im getting from the tommy khono vid.
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Old 01-13-2011, 07:24 AM   #8
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Re: clean and jerk

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Thanks all,

Just to clearify what ralston is saying,the hips and knees rise at the same time in both lifts,ok got that,the first pull is the same in both lifts

but am I rigt in saying that the knee extends before hip extension,that you gotta keep that back angle constant for the first pull,(the hips are rising but the angle is constant so you alsmost at full leg extension before the hips start really opening up,that what im getting from the tommy khono vid.
No, because if you do that your hip extension will be in a forward direction (like for a KB swing) rather than in an upward direction, and you'll swing the bar forward and probably lose it in front of you rather than getting it into a solid rack or overhead position. Try it--extend your knees while maintaining some hip flexion, then quickly extend your hips and see what direction they go in.

Your hips and knees should hit full extension at very close to the same time, just like if you were doing a max vertical jump.
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:51 AM   #9
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Re: clean and jerk

Knees and hips extend simultaneously. At the end of the first pull your knees are probably are a little more extended than your hips, but your hips are extending throughout the entire lift.
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Old 01-13-2011, 03:24 PM   #10
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Re: clean and jerk

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Thanks all,

Just to clearify what ralston is saying,the hips and knees rise at the same time in both lifts,ok got that,the first pull is the same in both lifts

but am I rigt in saying that the knee extends before hip extension,that you gotta keep that back angle constant for the first pull,(the hips are rising but the angle is constant so you alsmost at full leg extension before the hips start really opening up,that what im getting from the tommy khono vid.
It only seems as if the knees extend first and hips don't, but if you try to extend the knees without also extending the hips, you end up with your butt in the air getting ready to do a stiff legged deadlift. In order for the shoulders and hips to rise at the same time, the hips have to open slightly as you pull your knees back. You just don't think about "opening" the hip angle until after you've opened the knees (pulled knees back)
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