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Old 08-08-2010, 04:55 PM   #71
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

The better you get, the higher (as a %) your lift will go up when using equipment.

Belts help a little bit, but not for all people. KK has a 939lb deadlift in no suit and no belt. The #1 raw deadlift with a belt is 952 and with a belt+suit it's 1009 (both set by Andy Bolton). I am guessing that wearing a belt adds about 20lbs to my Deadlift, which is 559 (with a Belt) right now.

Squat suits help a ton. Like, the best in the world can get up to 500lbs from it.

Spikes might shave a second or two off your time.

I really don't think the equipment makes a big difference, aside from a bench/squat suit. Maybe 1-3%.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:43 AM   #72
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

Tossing arbritraty numbers out like that is not a good idea.

if you want RAW numbers check out RAW feds, or IPF. Some athletes get way more out of their equipment then others, also there is SOOOO much different kind of equipment, 1ply, 2ply, denim, open back, etc...

Ryan Kennelly does 315x20, 405x20, he's done over 700 for a single, bench presses (RAW) 1075 shirted in a meet. yet a previous shirted record holder, Gene Rychlak's max raw was said to be 545 or something around there.

so what people get out of their equipment is far from uniform.

Also why would you take a lifter from an equipped fed to lift against a crossfitter...there are RAW feds.
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:18 PM   #73
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

What is the usefulness of comparing generalist scores to specialist scores?

You can't infer what a CF'ers 400m time should be because of their RAW Squat #'s...
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:39 PM   #74
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

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What is the usefulness of comparing generalist scores to specialist scores?

You can't infer what a CF'ers 400m time should be because of their RAW Squat #'s...
Agreed - nor can we estimate Usain Bolt's Fran time based on his 100M time.

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Old 08-17-2010, 08:58 AM   #75
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

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First off: What a great thread. Thanks to all who have dug deep and compiled all this info. (and for the most part, the thread's been pretty civil as well).

I have a question that has yet to be touched on: What is the impact on performance of a specialist's sports specific tools? The numbers being thrown around for "good" and or "elite" Power lifting numbers or olympic lifting numbers are (I assume, BIG CAVEAT!) achieved with the benefit of things like lifting belts/Squat suits/Oly Shoes etc. The track numbers were likely achieved on a 400 synthetic track with track spikes.

In my direct experience, no CrossFitter lifts with a belt or a suit. And I am again ASSUMING, that their scores were achieved sans "specialist equipment assistance". Some DO use a wood-soled Oly Shoe. When they run it's in Vibram's or regular running shoes.

So if you took a world class powerlifter lifting say 25% more than a Jason Khalipa, out of his belt and squat suit, how much would that percentage be reduced, I wonder?
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The better you get, the higher (as a %) your lift will go up when using equipment.

Belts help a little bit, but not for all people. KK has a 939lb deadlift in no suit and no belt. The #1 raw deadlift with a belt is 952 and with a belt+suit it's 1009 (both set by Andy Bolton). I am guessing that wearing a belt adds about 20lbs to my Deadlift, which is 559 (with a Belt) right now.

Squat suits help a ton. Like, the best in the world can get up to 500lbs from it.

Spikes might shave a second or two off your time.

I really don't think the equipment makes a big difference, aside from a bench/squat suit. Maybe 1-3%.

I wasn't really saying lets compare PL'ers numbers against Crossfitters, but mainly addressing these 2 posts.
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:49 PM   #76
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

OP listed the average height at 5' 7.5" and Sean listed it at 5' 11". I take it Sean is right since only a few guys were under 5' 8".
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