Chimp vs Lesner!

[John Casey]

Originally Posted by Steven Low

Is that before or after he's losing significant amounts of blood from bitten off fingers/nose/toes/etc.?

[Scott Drellishak]

I can't believe this conversation is still going on. Here, let me try to sum up what would happen:

The man would adopt some COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT defensive stance and strategy. The SUPERHUMANLY STRONG chimp would attack with hands, feet, teeth, and RAGE, severely injuring the man. Then, after the man was maimed, disabled, and dying, the WILD ANIMAL would, quite literally, EAT THE MAN ALIVE. Let me be clear on this last point: the chimp would EAT THE MAN while the man was STILL ALIVE.

Don't get me wrong. If you gave the man a spear or even a knife, things might go differently. Otherwise, he'd better run and hope the chimp isn't mad enough to follow.

[David Meverden]

We're kind of going around in circles.

I want to discuss training. I just feel like there has to be SOME way to fight a chimp. Like if you spent a YEAR sparring with muzzled, nail trimmed, chimps (while wearing goggles and some other misc protective gear) couldn't you find SOMETHING to exploit? Probably not something fool proof, but SOMETHING. If you learned their movements down pat, wouldn't there be something to exploit? Like this video (I apologize if this has been linked before). The guy gets bum rushed. If you spent a solid year training against chimps, couldn't you see this coming and learn some dodge or defense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5vE3...eature=related (basically work and family safe. Doesn't show anything very grusome).

I just find it so hard to believe that it would be TOTALLY hopeless. It's not a rock monster. It's got vulnerable spots. People wrestle alligators for goodness sake, and there was that article on human baiting where a little person went 12 rounds with a bulldog.

[Katherine Derbyshire]

Originally Posted by David Meverden

I want to discuss training. I just feel like there has to be SOME way to fight a chimp. Like if you spent a YEAR sparring with muzzled, nail trimmed, chimps (while wearing goggles and some other misc protective gear) couldn't you find SOMETHING to exploit? Probably not something fool proof, but SOMETHING. If you learned their movements down pat, wouldn't there be something to exploit?

Would Miguel Torres, Brian Bowles, or any other bantamweight human *ever* have a chance against Lesnar?

I just don't see how training could ever balance the strength and agility advantage. Yes, humans wrestle alligators, but alligators aren't what I'd call agile. Moreover, alligator wrestlers use rope to immobilize the jaws, so it's not true unarmed combat.

Katherine

[John Casey]

Does the chimp get to train, too?

[Ramsey Abdulrahim]

With regards to Alligators:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36S_f...eature=related (WFS)

There are literally hundreds of "Jumping Crocodile" and "Jumping Alligator" videos on youtube it's crazy... they are surprisingly agile.

Take a look at this, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBtMoB2FCpc (WFS)
Orangutan tug of war vs. Sumo wrestler

[Matth Challoner]

[quote=John Casey;691227]Does the chimp get to train, too?[/QUOTE

The first thing i would do is run as fast as possible in the other direction!

[David Meverden]

Originally Posted by Katherine Derbyshire

Would Miguel Torres, Brian Bowles, or any other bantamweight human *ever* have a chance against Lesnar?

I just don't see how training could ever balance the strength and agility advantage.

That's not a valid comparison because the fighters have identical skill sets: exactly what a chimp and fighter DON'T have. A better question would be: Could Miguel Torres beat, say, Brian Urlacher, in a fight. Could Miguel Torres beat a huge drunken infuriated bar brawler in fair fight? I say ABSOLUTELY!

I just find it hard to believe that there would be no weakness, no opening, no vulnerability in a humanoid that has no regard for defense, technique, etc. In short, I think the chimp MUST be leaving an opening, it would just take a LOT of work to be able to effectively exploit it.

[John Casey]

I think the chimp most certainly has a weakness, and that is congnitive. The best way to exploit that is with a gun or knife, which Lesnar isn't able to use. Lesnar can bite and scratch as much as he'd like, though. If the chimp is enraged, I don't think there is a thing Lesnar, or anyone else for that matter, could do about it. Of course there are instances of people fighting off shark attacks, bear attacks, and the like; but those are usually hunting, or defensive animals. Granted it's hearsay and therefore poor argument, but I've never heard of a "man-killer" tiger, lion, bear, etc... that is successfully thwarted in hand-to-paw, tooth, claw. Hence the stories about enraged chimps mutilating people (in one case, one of those people was significantly larger than the chimp).

[Remco Heerdink]

Originally Posted by David Meverden

That's not a valid comparison because the fighters have identical skill sets: exactly what a chimp and fighter DON'T have. A better question would be: Could Miguel Torres beat, say, Brian Urlacher, in a fight. Could Miguel Torres beat a huge drunken infuriated bar brawler in fair fight? I say ABSOLUTELY!

I just find it hard to believe that there would be no weakness, no opening, no vulnerability in a humanoid that has no regard for defense, technique, etc. In short, I think the chimp MUST be leaving an opening, it would just take a LOT of work to be able to effectively exploit it.

They have plenty of weaknesses but as John mentions they aren't in the physical area. Technically we destroy chimps, bring a tank and the chimp doesn't stand a chance. Culture and technology are our great evolutionairy advantages. This human can't use it, so he'll lose big time. We sacrificed to get this brain.