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Neil Kanterman 12-23-2014 07:56 PM

Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
Is there anything dangerous, or even just non-optimal about storing a quality barbell (bushing or bearing) on-end in a storage stand as opposed to horizontally. Everyone seems to be sure that they know the answer, but just contradict each other. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

John Burgeson 12-23-2014 11:16 PM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
Great question.

Vertical storage scares me. Sticking the sleeve into a steel pipe is just asking for nicks and scratches. I put a decent barbell into a landmine once... once! Regretted it the very first time when I saw the damage I did. Gun rack is the way to go.

Mike Hollister 12-23-2014 11:35 PM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
[QUOTE=John Burgeson;1246632]Great question.

Vertical storage scares me. Sticking the sleeve into a steel pipe is just asking for nicks and scratches. I put a decent barbell into a landmine once... once! Regretted it the very first time when I saw the damage I did. Gun rack is the way to go.[/QUOTE]

I do vertical storage into 2" gray PVC pipe sleeves. I cut out a third of the pipe so they snap in. I'll shoot a pic some time. It's great storage. Takes up like zero room and the bars only contact the plastic if you do it right.

Tighe Crovetti 12-24-2014 07:34 AM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
[QUOTE=Mike Hollister;1246633]I do vertical storage into 2" gray PVC pipe sleeves. I cut out a third of the pipe so they snap in. I'll shoot a pic some time. It's great storage. Takes up like zero room and the bars only contact the plastic if you do it right.[/QUOTE]
That's similar to how we store ours. There's a 2x4 mounted horizontally on the wall with a bunch of "PVC pipe clips" like you describe. One end of the bar is simply on the (mat-covered) floor and the top sleeve is snapped into the clip.

Mark E. Wallace 12-24-2014 08:04 AM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
[quote=Tighe Crovetti;1246646]That's similar to how we store ours. There's a 2x4 mounted horizontally on the wall with a bunch of "PVC pipe clips" like you describe. One end of the bar is simply on the (mat-covered) floor and the top sleeve is snapped into the clip.[/quote]

That's what I do. It works fine.

None of my bars ever stay in the rack long enough to bring out any of the concerns that I have heard people express about vertical storage.

- Mark

Miles Roberts 12-26-2014 07:19 AM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
Rogue sells a vertical-storage system. I doubt they would sell it if its use would hurt their bars.

[url]http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-9-bar-holder[/url] (link wfs)

SP 12-26-2014 08:23 AM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
If a bar is stored vertically, any fluid in the sleeves would run to the end of the sleeve which [B]could[/B] affect how the sleeves spin. At the end of the day, for a <$500 it won't make a big difference, if any at all. Does it make a difference on a $1000 Eleiko? I don't know, but I would store it in a horizontal wooden bar rack on a wall.

William Henniger 12-26-2014 09:37 AM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
Struan:

Sorry for taking so long. Here are my thoughts on it:

1) For more expensive bars like bearing bars etc I would not store them vertically

The issue is less with storing them vertically and more with putting them there. Watch people slam them into the pipe and it is not good for business.

2) For beater bars, axles, specialty bars with fixed sleeves it is fine.

3) I prefer horizontal storage over vertical because it keeps from jamming the ends of the bars. With all the internal washers, snap rings etc I think this is best.

Over time you can damage or cave in the washers/snap rings causing sleeves to get jammed up. It is a common issue we see. To offset this we heat treated the retention hardware on a few of our bars.

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In the end you probably won't see an issue but if you are running a high volume gym then you might start to see issue with people putting the bars away in a hurry, dropping them in.

My recommendation is storing them horizontally where the sleeve is not under compression. Also not storing them by grabbing the bar shaft with steel on steel. If you have a gun rack without plastic just move them out so they grab the sleeves.

Horizontal with UHMW plastic is best case. You can make this with wood as a DIY project as well!

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Landmine Scratch Issue - Our latest 9 bar holder has a chamfer and uses DOM tube so it is seamless. We recently changed out all of our landmine family to use the same DOM.

Hopefully that helps. Post any other questions you guys have.

Thanks

Bill

Ricardo Leopando 12-26-2014 07:41 PM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
I have the rogue 9 bar holder and store my eleiko comp without any issues,

its a great piece! I place a small cotton towel inside the tubing

simple fix! issues with metal on metal slamming gone :)

Neil Kanterman 12-26-2014 09:19 PM

Re: Bill Henniger! Get in here and answer once and for all!
 
We got Pendlay 2x5 vertical bar storage racks for our box. I found some rubber washers with a 2" O.D. that fit snugly in the bottom of each tube. It definitely seems to relieve the metal on metal impact as people drop their bars into the rack.

Something like these:

[url]http://www.fastenersplus.com/1-4-x-2-rubber-flat-rubber-washer-pkg-5.html?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=CLDCkoau5cICFQIQ7AodhzQAZg[/url] (WFS)


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