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Derek Maffett 11-28-2008 04:13 AM

STD's and homosexuality
 
[URL="http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html"]"The Health Risks of *** Sex"[/URL]

An interesting article on the subject.

About as wfs as any article on this can really be.

Discuss.

Eric Neri 11-28-2008 05:33 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
[URL="http://www.chicagogsb.edu/capideas/may07/3.aspx"]The Health Risks of Being African and Heterosexual.[/URL] (wfs)

Discuss.

Jill Zimmerman 11-28-2008 05:40 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
Hijack: I am currently too lazy to read this link, forgive me but all this stuff applies to any sexual orientation don't you think? Why pick *** sex risk? :stir: ??

In my ten years of cradle robbing I have found that yonger guys seems to be MUCH more interested in anal sex than anybody ever was in my "generation". Go to free porn sites nothing but anal and guys getting oral sex all day long. Seems to me hetero couples aren't really doing anything less risky than homosexual couples.

The anonymous sex or casual sex is rampant everywhere, just look at the NSA section of Craig's List M for W. If you don't know the sexual background of your partner and see some paper blood test results and assume they are faithful to you - you are taking a risk. Is it worth it? Sometimes I wonder. I assumed the guy I spent 6 years with was faithful to me. He came back after me while with ngf? Hmm wonder if he was doing that to me? maybe not ogf before me was killed in a wreck. I have been tested for everything under the sun since.

I met a guy who had a woman coming over twice a week to give him oral sex and he was driving an hour away to get laid too. He decided he would like to be a one woman man and I was a potential candidate. I asked him if he had every been tested for STDs and he said NO why would he? He said that he had never done anything "wrong" and he could not possibly have any diseases and he knew what these women weren't doing anthing risky when not with him. OMG what an idiot.

Condoms are not fool proof. You should see the picture my sister (dental hygenist) showed me of HPV in someone's mouth. Rare but how gross. Ever known anyone to actually use a dental dam while performing oral sex on a woman? Nice idea but ick and oral sex on a man with a condom on, further ick.

I know a dozen people with herpes who don't tell and possibly infect their partners. I know 3 people that have HPV. One has given it to many women. The gift that keeps on giving. How can you trust someone you don't know? 25% roughly of people out there have something or another. Have 25% of your lovers admitted to something? Wow isn't that cool that you have managed to beat the odds. Somebody's either thinking it's no big deal because it is not currently active or they don't know or they are aysmptomatic or they are just plain lying sacks of sh*t.

AIDS I think is considered like a chronic aliment now because you can live a long time if you take a big cocktail of drugs everyday but if you think it's not out there you are *****ing nuts.

Casual sex on TV like on Two and a Half Men (which I love it's funny as hell) is really risky. And it is a shame that TV does not promote safer sex. It's safer people not safe. You can still get AIDS, HPV and herpes even using condoms. I am not bothering talking about drug curable stuff like the clap etc.

I used to tell my daughters put your big head to toe rubber suit on please. Told my littlest kid to keep his penis to himself, he is too young for sex. I hope he's not getting blown in the bathroom which is rampant in middle school. Sigh, scary times we live in.

Be careful out there.

Sara Fleming 11-28-2008 05:52 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
This individual made a lot of faulty conclusions based on incomplete evidence and false assumptions. Its a propaganda piece disguised as medical advice.

I would like to see a similar paper published by this organization on why they think so many of their representatives have sexually abused so many children and why they've covered it up time and time again.

Not cool.

Sara

Eric Neri 11-28-2008 06:06 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
Does anyone else find it interesting that in the "article" it's the hetrosexual sex that lesbians have that gets them in trouble?

Derek Maffett 11-28-2008 06:20 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
[QUOTE=Eric Neri;457004][URL="http://www.chicagogsb.edu/capideas/may07/3.aspx"]The Health Risks of Being African and Heterosexual.[/URL] (wfs)

Discuss.[/QUOTE]

Is it surprising that most cases of STD's would be spread by heterosexuals when heterosexuals are about 98% of the population? Even if the 90-95% figure, which seems to have no reference and in my opinion is debatable, is true, that would still leave homosexuality at about 2.5 to 5 times it's population share. Assuming, of course, that the hetero/homo percentages are the same in Africa as they are in the U.S.

[QUOTE=Jill Zimmerman;457005]Hijack: I am currently too lazy to read this link, forgive me but all this stuff applies to any sexual orientation don't you think? Why pick *** sex risk? :stir: ??[/QUOTE]

For reasons that would become more clear if you would please read the article.

[QUOTE=Sara Fleming;457007]This individual made a lot of faulty conclusions based on incomplete evidence and false assumptions. Its a propaganda piece disguised as medical advice.

I would like to see a similar paper published by this organization on why they think so many of their representatives have sexually abused so many children and why they've covered it up time and time again.

Not cool.

Sara[/QUOTE]

Please expand on that first paragraph. It's not very precise.

Your second point is irrelevant to the situation at hand, but I would point out that what you're talking about is purposefully overblown by the media and always presented as a child molestation problem rather than a problem with homosexuals (as the case often is). Not to mention the cases that are only brought up after many, many years or after the priest's death, allowing an easy (and easily false) accusation and compensation.

But plainly, your second point was simply an attempt at a character assassination and highly irrelevant.

Derek Maffett 11-28-2008 06:25 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
[QUOTE=Eric Neri;457012]Does anyone else find it interesting that in the "article" it's the hetrosexual sex that lesbians have that gets them in trouble?[/QUOTE]

No, it's the heterosexual sex that makes it difficult to gather conclusive data on why they have higher rates of STD's. The problem is that there are two possible reasons for the diseases, so you can't say say for absolute certain that the homosexual sex was the cause for the higher rates. It could be surmised, though.

Sara Fleming 11-28-2008 07:00 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
My point, Derek, is that your article is printed in a Catholic journal. It is not a medical journal. It is printed in the "Catholic Education Resource Center". I was trying to be discreet. Since you are calling me out. I will stop being discreet. David has already scolded me about mentioning religion so I can't really do that, but you are essentially doing that by citing religious propaganda against homosexuality here. So I see this entire thread being dumped here pretty soon.

The main gist of the article is that homosexual sex is, by its very nature, dirty and immoral. The article is stating that homosexuality consists solely of acts of depravity in which bodily fluids, fecal matter, and all kinds of bacteria and viruses are transmitted. These acts are solely acts and not relationships and if you think they are part of a relationship, think again because this is clearly contradicted by the anecdotal experiences of a lesbian actor and singer as clearly shown in the appendix.

For one, this characterization, although may have some basis in truth (because it pretty much characterizes casual sex of all kinds), as a charaterization of the population as a whole is pure hogwash.

Oh, and we forgot to leave out the years of social and psychological abuse and isolation from not only strangers, but their friends and families that makes **** afraid to come out and actually form lasting relationships.

It might make parents afraid that there kids are experimenting with *** sex. It should also make them afraid that their middle schoolers are already engaging in oral sex and mutual masturbation. This is also creeping down into fourth and fifth grades. Don't worry about the homosexuals, worry about the sex.

Sorry, the priest issue is relevant. Anytime this very influential governing body is going to beat anyone over the head with their ideas about sex, they damn well better be able to answer for their sins. Don't tow the party line. Why don't you do some research on why priest were required to be celibate to begin with. I'll give you a hint, it had a lot to do with money.

Sara Fleming 11-28-2008 07:51 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
PS.

Derek,

I apologize my tone was so ugly. I do like you and usually enjoy reading your posts. I was a little heated as this topic angers me for personal reasons. Have a good weekend.

Sara

Eric Neri 11-28-2008 07:59 AM

Re: STD's and homosexuality
 
[QUOTE=Derek Maffett;457026] It could be surmised, though.[/QUOTE]

I don't see how, but since see logic has no place here, let's have some fun. The amazing thing about statistics is that they can be made to say anything. For example, perhaps it's religion that causes a higher prevalence of HIV:
[URL="http://ww2.aegis.org/pubs/aidswkly/2004/AW040502.html"]"Muslim areas of Africa have lower rates of HIV infelction"[/URL]

Are we done being silly yet?


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