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Neal Winkler
02-26-2006, 02:11 PM
Any critique on my form here would be much appreciated.

You'll have to change the video settings to brighten it up. Just click on this little tab under "now playing" and then open "enhancements" then click on "video settings."

Thanks

Neal Winkler
02-26-2006, 03:40 PM
Whoops, I forgot to upload the videos...

Lincoln Brigham
02-26-2006, 05:15 PM
Your hips rise too fast relative to your shoulders. Early arm bend as well.

You keep the bar in tight, very good. Good speed, nice to see squat snatches.

Neal Winkler
02-26-2006, 07:45 PM
Thanks, Lincoln. I noticed the hip thing too, but I didn't notice the arm bend.

James R. Climer
02-26-2006, 09:48 PM
As your hips rise, your shoulders remain stationary and your lower back bows. Also I can capture by stop action an example of early arm bend, but I can't reproduce it here for you from MS Media Player

James R. Climer
02-26-2006, 09:51 PM
BTW, anyone knowledgeable:

Is the hip rising faster than the shoulder an example of not engaging the Posterior Chain?

Lincoln Brigham
02-27-2006, 07:20 AM
Yes. What is happening is that knee extends much faster than the the hip.
http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/13350/20561.jpg
http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/13350/20562.jpg
http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/13350/20563.jpg

Here you can see the early arm bend.
http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/13350/20564.jpg
http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/13350/20565.jpg
The arms have started to bend before the hips and knees have finished extending.

Good double knee bend and the finish of the second pull is nice and vertical. Very good position and speed into the bottom of the overhead squat.

Neal Winkler
02-27-2006, 08:08 AM
Wow, thanks for pics Lincoln, that is extremely helpful. How do you do make those?

Lincoln Brigham
02-27-2006, 10:14 AM
I used Blaze Media Pro to do the screen grabs and Microsoft Digital Image Pro to fix the exposure and crop the images.

Jerry Hill
02-27-2006, 10:28 AM
Great coaching tips Lincoln, learned a lot from those still frames.

Wouldn't Neal benefit from hitting snatches on a block? He seems to have no choice but to extend the knee first with his low start from the floor.

-Jerry

Lincoln Brigham
02-27-2006, 10:43 AM
No, it is possible keep his hips down even from that low start postition. Yes he could lift from blocks or start from mid shin or use bumpers. Or just keep his hips down until the bar reaches mid-shin. My guess is that, left uncorrected, his hips would tend to rise early regardless of the starting height. He needs to keep his hips down regardless.

If he continues to practice lifting like that, a horizontal back during the first pull will start to feel "normal" even if it is wrong. Once a position like that starts to feel "normal" it will be hell to fix later.

James R. Climer
02-27-2006, 02:16 PM
Also Neal
Note the first picture/ starting position that Lincoln has so graciously posted, look at the
convex curvature of the back. Assuming this is not tricking my eye due to the angle of the shot,
you want a 'concave' arch from start through
catch.
I take this from Tommy Kono's book where
he frequently mentions this. He points to the increased difficulty placed on a heavy lift any time the desired back arch is lost.

Think:
http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/13350/20583.jpg

Blair Robert Lowe
02-28-2006, 11:58 AM
Can you clear things up for me. Years ago, when I was taught Clean and Jerk and Snatch; I wasn't really taught much technique if I remember. It was more so of watch the other football players.

In a snatch, are the arms supposed to bend?

Until seeing Xfit videos and this forum, I never even knew you were supposed to jump. More so, I used to just pull, get on my heels and get under. Which is why my snatch always sucked. Probably affected my clean as well.

Veronica Carpenter
02-28-2006, 12:23 PM
"When the arms bend, the power ends"

No, the arms should not bend until you are at the very top of the second pull, fully extended, and begin the drive under the bar.

Tim Runnette
04-05-2006, 05:24 PM
Outstanding comments and thanks all. Just did my first round of snatches today w/45-65 lbs. This thread was very helpful.

tmr